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DannyD wrote: "Single payer would have been far worse. More proof this is about ideology."
Why do you say this? I can understand the objection to Obamacare--IMO, I agree that the govt shouldn't be able to mandate that you buy a private product. But that isn't the case with single payer. How is single payer different philosophically from Medicare? Unless you object to Medicare as well.
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Interesting. I don't know what makes Danny, and Lobo, and Bob1 like they are. At this point, I've given up caring why they act and react they way they do. I don't really see any point in continuing to respond to anything you say or engage you in any sort of intelligent conversation, so I won't any more.
to me it represents the worst of the american character. Not the noble, visionary, can do type of american spirit, the good american spirt. But the petty, cheap, ignorant, bigoted, uneducated type of american character (which is certainly a definite part of our character). The "I'm not giving anything to my neighbor but boy do I take advantage of those same government programs when it effects me" type of american culture. The "I don't live in a society" type of american culture. It is an ugly part of our make up as a nation. And you know what...there are plenty of people to converse with on this forum who aren't like that. Time to focus on the good people here and ignore the trash. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Sometimes LOL just doesn't say it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea I just had a whole response typed but I deleted it once I saw what you wrote. Your right.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2013-09-06 11:56, LobowolfXXX wrote: _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ What is the cost of ObamaCare? ObamaCare, Obama's new health care law, has a massive impact on health care costs. ObamaCare's cost is estimated at up to net cost of $1.1 trillion dollars over the next 10 years. Although Obamacare's net costs are in the trillions, the law actually reduces the growth in health care spending by tens of billions each year, reduces health care costs for many Americans, helps to insure tens of millions and is estimated to result in an overall net decrease of the deficit. Obamacare is projected to cut the national deficit by over $200 billion during it's first 10 years and over $1 trillion over the next two decades. This helps offset the up-front cost of ObamaCare. Please be aware the cost estimates are changed on a regular basis and are often quoted as being between $1 and $2.6 trillion. Our cost estimate is taken directly from the front page of the official CBO report on ObamaCare's costs. ObamaCare is paid for through collected taxes, penalties, spending cuts and reformations to the health care industry. ____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ So, 1) your link giving a cost of 1.76 trillion is well within the quoted range, and 2) the non-partisan CBO projects a $1 Trillion deficit reduction over the next 2 decades. Oh, and people get health insurance. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Same people who projected it being under a trillion?
Somehow that does not change the lies. Why do none of the supporters mind being lied to? Ideology that is why. If it is so great why do the exemptions keep happening?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-09-06 19:06, LobowolfXXX wrote: My point was simply that when universal health care was first proposed by Republicans, no one claimed that it was ideological. The ideology kicked in when Obama decided it was a good idea. If Obama's for something, it doesn't really matter what it is. There are those on the right who will automatically oppose it, even if it was their idea in the first place. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-09-06 21:12, mastermindreader wrote: I'm not familiar with how close it got to becoming a reality when Republicans favored it. It didn't come to pass, so either there weren't THAT many Republicans favoring it, or Democrats opposed it - presumably on similarly ideological grounds, since they seem to like it now?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-09-06 21:12, mastermindreader wrote: Please stop playing that worn out card. Most republicans opposed Hillarycare. What year did they propose it? By your logic the democrats who opposed civil rights still do. Come on Bob. I know you are desperate but lawyer tactics don't work. What about the lis to pass it? You good with that?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-09-06 20:06, R.S. wrote: You have a lot more faith than I do in the CBO.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
CBO scores what they are given. Period. They are a lot lime a speaker. Crap in crap out.
What was the last score they got anywhere close to right?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
All positive predictions are crap, and all negative predictions are telling it like it is will only play well until January 1, 2014.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
If all that is true Al if the predictions are right about it being bad can we count on you saying so in 2014 January 1st? Or will you blindly cheerleader the cause simply because it is a democrat and you are a drone?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-09-07 15:55, Al Angello wrote: Well, we can tell that at least SOME of the positive predictions are crap, because they're already admitted to be so.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Bob what about the lies used to sell it to the public? You still seem ok with it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_p......ice.html
excerpt: "For one, the CBO routinely succeeds in frustrating Republicans and Democrats alike. The agency also has a strong track record. A study in the journal Polity examined the accuracy of economic forecasts made by the White House, the Federal Reserve, and the CBO between 1979 and 1997. During that time, the administration's forecasts were the least accurate and the CBO's were the most accurate. (The Fed forecasted inflation as accurately as the CBO but wasn't as good on gross-national-product growth and unemployment.) The study also found partisan bias in the White House forecasts: Republican administrations tend to exaggerate inflation while Democratic ones exaggerate unemployment. Neither of these tendencies shows up in the CBO's projections." Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
So they are better than the other 2? What does that have to do with actual accuracy?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-09-07 16:59, Dannydoyle wrote: Not sure which "lies" you are referring to. I know there are a lot of myths out there about supposed lies. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-09-07 17:57, Dannydoyle wrote: The quote and article cited by RS answers that. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I can keep my policy unless of course the government drives them out of business. Costs going down, premiums going down, oh and it costing under a trilion. All lies Bob that if a republican told you would be screaming from the rooftops.
So when do costs go down exactly? Oh and how it won't add to the debt. Lie. But just so they have some clever gimick you trumpet anything they say. Same thing with the unemployment numbers and how they are manipulated just for headlines. If they hadn't stopped counting about 3 million people the number would be close to 10%. But you are ok with being lied to like this on so many fronts? This is what I don't get. Being lied to is ok just so it is democrats. Both parties suck is my position. They both do this and because they both have mindless drones happy to argue with the other side they keep getting away with it. It is not just democrats but they have all the power right now and have been the most obvious about it.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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