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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
You guys bickers like high school girls sometimes!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea when all anyone wants to do is parse words it happens. The original contention that somehow a sociopath would experience guilt is ridiculous. But nobody wants to parse that idiotic statement. Somehow the fact that they thought I implied that the ONLY thing that made a person a sociopath was a lack of guilt became the contention.
It is stupid and I am sick of it. Idiotic parsing of words when it means nothing. All so they can feel as if they are the smartest person in the room. Everything becomes a measuring contest. And they contend it is not a "right vs left" thing but you notice how not once do any of them do the same thing to Al when he posts the dumbest sweeping statements. That is why you get criticized balducci. You jump on single words as if it is a high school debate society when it is MEANINGLESS. And the selective nature with whom you do it.
Danny Doyle
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 17:26, Dannydoyle wrote: As the person who proposed the original diversion, allow me to explain. Many modern diagnoses are on continua. For example, autism is now recognized to occur on a continuum. There are no single symptoms that make you autistic or not. Same with fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, as it is now called. It strikes me as highly implausible that there is a "guilt switch" that is either turned on (normal people) or off (sociopaths). It seems perfectly reasonable that this is a matter of degrees along a spectrum. I am not a psychologist or a medical doctor. This is speculation on my part. Bob and Balducci have found evidence supporting the spectrum view. Nobody has put forth any evidence that sociopaths always experience no guilt. Take it as you will. It is not (in my view) a pointless discussion.
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Dennis Michael Inner circle Southern, NJ 5821 Posts |
My posts was not intended to bring back the right/wrong discussion on the Zimmerman case. The courts said he was innocent, but here for the most part on the Café, he is still guilty.
My point was to answer the subject topic. NO second thoughts! I haven't changed my mind. I too would now have a gun based on the thousands of threats. It is quite obvious that very few have an idea on what PTSD does to a family, which was my intended message and I can understand the trauma his family id dealing with. Imagine how you would feel if the world, including the president was constantly talking about you and your family. Signs all over wanting you dead. As for the two that jumped me, they were older bullies in high school. I beat the crap out of them because I had something they didn't, I feared for my life. I fully understand Rockwall's comments and thought process because of my public safety officer's training, experience, and a member of a "cop family", which most people can't relate. I've dealt with this crap most of my life, and the single biggest reason I don't carry a gun.
Dennis Michael
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Zimmerman was NOT found "innocent." There is no such verdict. He was found "not guilty" because the jury felt that guilt hadn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Rockwall wrote:
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All the evidence points to the way I described it. No, it doesn't. It doesn't point to anything. Which is why he was (and should have been) acquitted.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 18:02, mastermindreader wrote: This is true and not a minor distinction. One is not trying to prove innocence in a court of law in America. The state has the burdon of proof. John the idea that people throw around words they don't understand is the problem. On or off switch analogy not withstanding fact is that a major distinction that makes one a sociopath IS a lack of guilt. So to call someone that and then say they c feel guilty about what they have done conveys a very deep misunderstanding of the term. Regardless of how balducci wants to parse the words.
Danny Doyle
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 18:06, landmark wrote: See look at you and I all agreeing and stuff. Do we also agree it does not mean for a second George Zimmerman is a good person?
Danny Doyle
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 18:02, mastermindreader wrote: +1 Quote:
On 2013-09-15 17:33, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: +1
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 18:34, Dannydoyle wrote: Right. I think where we may disagree on this Danny, though, is that while I think he should have been acquitted, I definitely think he was rightly charged. His very presence makes probable cause (not reasonable doubt--that's for the jury) a no-brainer in my mind.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Well he was charged so the "should" of It sort of goes by the wayside.
Certainly his presence and obvious stupidity in my opinion make It not that big a stretch even if you would argue he should not have been.
Danny Doyle
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 18:02, mastermindreader wrote: I have to ask. Is anyone ever found innocent? Because if that is the case you can accuse me of something and let us say I get indicted. I can go to trial and even if I did not commit what you accused me of I would never be found innocent. Is that correct or is there a way someone can be found innocent?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
When someone else is convicted of a crime that you have been accused of you will then be presumed to be innocent.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Can't wait for Bob to answer Al.
Aces as far as I have experienced a court does not deal with innocence. It deals with guilty or not guilty. At least in criminal cases. They do not prove your innocence. They prove your guilt or are unable to do so.
Danny Doyle
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Regardless of what Bob says....
You are "Innocent until proven guilty." And if you are not proven guilty, you will most certainly remain Innocent. Tom
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
None of that has to do with what Al said.
Danny Doyle
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
I know.
Tom
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Tom
Don't you know the first rule around here while Danny is in charge is that Al is always wrong even if he is right.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 22:20, TomBoleware wrote: Incorrect. You are PRESUMED innocent. A legal presumption is NOT a finding of fact. Again, big difference. |
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Bob1Dog Inner circle Wife: It's me or this houseful of 1159 Posts |
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On 2013-09-15 21:11, acesover wrote: Not a lawyer here but I don't believe an innocent verdict is ever a possibility. It's either guilty, or not guilty, at least in criminal cases. Not so sure about civil cases though. So let's see what the lawyers say.
What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about?
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