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Bobby C. New user Milwaukee, WI 2 Posts |
I've been performing "self-working" tricks for some time now and want to start learning some cool stuff with cards. I've been using a couple of books but am getting frustrated since they are so one dimensional. Is there a good inexpensive video or dvd that is a MUST have for learning card sleights?
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Sybilmagic Loyal user England 275 Posts |
Daryls Encycolpedia, is many magicians favorite but the collection is expensive.
If you have a basic knowledge then probaly start at video three or four. Greg Wilsons card stunts is very entertaining but the sleights are fairly advanced but he teaches them well. If you would like to private message me with sleights you already know and sleights you are interested in I hope I can direct you to a video to suite your needs. I forgot the best videos to start off with, the Michael Ammar easy to master Miracles these are truly brilliant tapes and start right at the beginning of many magicians video collections. P.S I don't always look this grumpy. |
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Martin_H Regular user Austria 164 Posts |
I recommend (books and videos) from Harry Lorayne,
also the ETMCM (easy to master card miracles) series from Michael Ammar and of course Daryls videos (card sleights and card revelations series) In case of books one of the best source for fine card sleights and (not too hard tricks) I really recommend the Card College from Roberto Giobbi, because it´s one of these books which are "above" one dimensionality.. Martin
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BroDavid Inner circle America’s North Coast, Ohio 3176 Posts |
Books have fallen out of favor to many of those in the "Computer Generation" who prefer videos and DVD,s and I am a very visual learner so I like them too.
But there are still some great finds in Tarbells and Royal Road books, the problem is that it is harder to actually see how good some of this stuff really is. But the advantage is that so few folks read anymore, and some of this stuff is so old that it is Brand New again. So both types of media have an advantage. BroDavid
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Todd New user 67 Posts |
I've learned most of my stuff by video. Yes, it's more expensive but I learn better, watching it done, rather than reading it.
A great video to start with for cards would be Basic Card Technique by Richard Kaufman. It teaches all the Basics you need for card sleights. Then, Michael Ammars Easy To Master Card Miracles Series has great card Tricks to get you started!! |
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vovin Veteran user Columbus,Oh 338 Posts |
I could never possibly get down the real power of a sleight I had learned from a book. Seeing it on video makes it much more easy (at least for me) to learn and I learn it better. you get to rewind and watch over and over how it is done by a master and hopefully you can learn to imitate the moves. I honestly only own a couple of books but I own 30+ video's.
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
Seeing it on video makes it much more easy (at least for me) to learn and I learn it better. you get to rewind and watch over and over how it is done by a master and hopefully you can learn to imitate the moves. I honestly only own a couple of books but I own 30+ video's.
Hi, I understand what you are saying and I too sometimes like to see a sleight performed I have 1000+ books and about 200 video's. But I like to learn my slieghts from books to start with, then see it performed after I have learnt it. Not quite understanding the move from the book is a benefit as I see it. It means you have to experiment, use your mind a little to find that grip or finger positioning to suit you. If you are looking for the easiest/quickest way then perhap's video learning will suit you. But I feel in the long run this will hold you back in magic as a CREATIVE performer. As Eugene Berger said on one of his audio cassettes ("growing in the art of magic" I think). "if you want to be creative then maybe you should try doing what the instuctions say ......you should not do" To me at least experimenting with the sleights and moves is important, for how can I strive to perform the sleight the best I can. if I only learn it to the best someone else can perform it. Also I seem to work a little different than most here in that I only learn a sleight if I have a routine that I need it for. Phillip |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
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want to start learning some cool stuff with cards. There's some "cool" self working stuff too. Just because you are moving on don't discard any good easy tricks. What is "cool" about effects is the way spectators appreciate them, not the methods. I'm a book person myself, but then when I started we didn't have videos. I still prefer books for finding tricks but for learning sleights seeing how it should be done is definitely an advantage. Paul. |
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Garrett Nelson Special user 644 Posts |
I felt that learning from video when I was starting helped me a lot. I would have been lost trying to learn all the new things from just a book.
Even things as simple as a double under-cut; it is just helpful to see what it looks like in real time. |
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Earl New user Paris 17 Posts |
I think the best "pack" to learn card sleights is CC for the very good descriptions and pictures with Daryl's EoCS for the live demonstrations...
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Peter Marucci Inner circle 5389 Posts |
While learning from videos and DVDs is constantly gaining popularity over books, it is at a loss to magic.
As the king of street performers, Jim Cellini, says, a video can't give you the background, the history, the subtlties, and the variations that a book can. And, by foregoing that history and background, in the long run (a) it is really harder to learn from videos; and, (b) the student loses out on the rich background of magic that videos can't offer. Remember, a video -- like a book or a deck of cards -- is just a tool. Besides, if it were easy, then everybody would be doing it! cheers, Peter Marucci showtimecol@aol.com |
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Jimmy Lee Special user Singapore 682 Posts |
Well, my take on this.
Depends on the individual's learning style. If you are a visual person like me, go for the videos, you will learn better. But if you like to read and you find reading helps, yes, go for the books. Bottomline, find the way you learn best. But, it would be good to do some reading to find out more about the background, history, variations, etc. as well. I agree with Peter that the media is just a tool. But for starters, it is a good tool to use. I started magic with simple props, then I moved on to videos, and gradually, my book collection is growing as well. I did it the reverse way! Just my 2 cents worth.
Magically Yours,
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p.b.jones Inner circle Milford Haven. Pembrokeshire wales U.K. 2642 Posts |
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Well, my take on this. Depends on the individual's learning style. If you are a visual person like me, go for the videos, you will learn better. But if you like to read and you find reading helps, yes, go for the books. Bottomline, find the way you learn best. Hi, I too learn quickest visualy. But lets not confuse quickest and easiest as being the best. if to you learning something just means being able to do it, then I feel that you are missing out on a big part of the magic learning and reasoning process. The books often gives additional info credits, alternate handlings and you do not develop someone elses personality/timing/pacing as is often apparent in video learners. phillip I should add to the above that book learning becomes easier the more of it that you do. I remember how hard it was at 8 years old to understand the instructions from my magic set, reading it, again and again then suddenly the light would come on. I promise anyone here if you perservear with book learning in future years you will reap the benifit. phillip |
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gio Loyal user Genova - Italy 247 Posts |
I think that, as someone already said, books and videos are just tools. From my experience I learn at best mixing the two approaches. Videos let me understand quickly the way a sleight should (or shouldn't) looks like, but then I need to study all the details and subtleties from a book, because of course a video cannot contain all the details a book can.
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Martin_H Regular user Austria 164 Posts |
I agree with the pro book advisers... out of a book you learn how to do a slight by yourself... from a video you copy master magician "abc" doing that slight (and very often copy his performing style)... so a book is a more basic, more neutral source for learning and you can bring in your own personality and fantasy... I for myself learn from books as a first source and if I can't get it to work, I look at a video...
Martin
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Conjurer New user Ireland 13 Posts |
I prefer books to learn the sleights but I use videos to see if I'm performing them properly. The bad thing about videos is that you tend to be unoriginal and perform the tricks exactly as they were performed on the video.
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freaksrock62 New user 70 Posts |
I would say books have proven to be a bit more of a sufficient way to learn the sleights. Videos just really help to see them performed in a routine. Daryls videos are good and so are the Michael Ammar videos. Royal Road to Card magic is probably one of the best book you can get.
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danny Loyal user England 269 Posts |
In my opinion books are better learning tools because you can fall into the danger of using just videos and you might find yourself copying the magicians style or patter and not being able to develop yourself.
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John Clarkson Special user Santa Barbara, CA 749 Posts |
When I first started in magic, there was no such thing as a video tape! (Yeah, yeah, I know... and we wrote on clay tablets in cuneiform!) At first, I was resistant to using video tapes. Now, I am not sure.
I like books because it is easier to refer back to them, and frankly, you can cram more information into a single book in less space in my bookshelf. I like some of the videos that teach sleights. For instance, I have yet to read a description of the classic pass that does as good a job as a video tape. Video tapes have also convinced me that tricks I would have passed over in print are killer effects. But, I agree, there is a great danger of mimicking the original performer. If I had to choose between a book and a video tape, I'd pick the book. Fortunately, I don't have to make that choice. Each has its use.
John D. Clarkson, S.O.B. (Sacred Omphaloskeptic Brotherhood)
Cozener "There is nothing more important to a magician than keeping secrets. Probably because so many of them are Gay." —Peggy, from King of the Hill (Sleight of Hank) |
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Pokie-Poke Special user Bensalem, PA 883 Posts |
I'm learning disabled, so vidio is great for me, BUT I still have a growing collection of books. I hate to see mimics, and the videos make mimicking to easy.
I watch the video to get the idea of the effect, then learn from a book if I can learn why a trick is presented in a certain way and you can make it yours, without mimicking
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