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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts 
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Don't trust climate scientists? How about all the other scientists:
"Nearly 92% of biophysical scientists surveyed believe that human activity has contributed to global warming "Supporters of policies to address man-made climate change are quick to cite research showing 97% of climate scientists believe that humans are contributing to global warming. Now, new research suggests that consensus extends to scientists in other fields. "Published in the journal Environmental Research Letters, the study found that nearly 92% of biophysical scientists surveyed believe that human activity has contributed to global warming. Nearly 94% said they believe global temperatures are rising. Researchers surveyed 2,000 scientists at universities in the Big 10 Conference and received 698 responses. The survey included fields like biology, chemistry and physics. "The study’s design specifically addresses the belief that scientists who are skeptical of climate change come from fields outside of climate science. The new research weakens that argument." ~ http://time.com/4051338/climate-change-scientists/ |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Who exactly does not believe that human activity has contributed to global warming?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21245 Posts
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What I don't believe is that it is an argument of some sort. That is the part I REALLY have trouble comprehending.
Danny Doyle
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On Dec 13, 2016, Dannydoyle wrote: I simply don't believe that my prejudices are more compelling than expert opinion. No matter what I want to be true, genuine expertise is more powerful than my biases.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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And "genuine" is ... what:
a) new and improved b) tried and true c) what was taught at the time ????
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On Dec 13, 2016, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Met the standards of the community of experts. What makes a mathematician? Doing work that is recognized by other mathematicians as worthy. What's the difference between a magician and somebody who can do the 21 card trick?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Therefore, then, nearly 92% of biophysical scientists agree with we so called deniers.
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On Dec 14, 2016, tommy wrote: Got a reference for this extraordinary claim?
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Quote: On Dec 13, 2016, tommy wrote:
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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Ok we've got the question confirmed. Now, the 92% statistic...
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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On Dec 13, 2016, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Some awareness of the address of a magic shop? I sense a bubble in the force... do you find continuity, causality, about the same values of physical constants there?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Figurehead, superstar science talker, leading publisher, longest run of award winning articles, most funding this last fiscal year, most patents,... do you see the presuppositions in that claim of genuine privilege yet?
Criteria Science(tm) sparkles with fresh mathy goodness... It'll raise your eyebrows in awe. Hint: Try a proof by contradiction where you substitute the fear-trigger climate wail for something less scary, and see if the social world around you treats ut as valid, acceptable, obvious...or the arguments as persuasive.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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No bubble. There is fallibility in human inquiry. But there's an enormous gap between fallibility and arbitrariness.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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I agree in that your argument fails but don't presume to arbitrate whether your ability to offer a cogent argument is wanting.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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Quote: On Dec 13, 2016, Pop Haydn wrote:
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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On Dec 14, 2016, tommy wrote: This is supposed to support: Quote: ?
On Dec 14, 2016, tommy wrote: So are you saying that you "so-called deniers" agree that human activity is contributing to Global Warming? If so what, exactly, are you denying?
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts
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Magnus, folks are responding more to the deep pockets than the lab coats.
Who gets credibility in matters so big and when faced with data so vast as to be beyond the books we turn to. Remember why tomatoes are classed as vegetables, and who gets to dispense nicotine or alcohol. Reason is one of our tools... recall the fuss about irrational numbers and enumeration before claiming the privilege of proving 
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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I'm with you Jon.
Just hoping for a few moments of clarity.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16543 Posts
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On Dec 13, 2016, Pop Haydn wrote: Quote:
On Dec 13, 2016, tommy wrote: As expected the climate hysterics give no answer to that question. Why? Why because nobody believes that human activity has not contributed to global warming. When nearly 92% of biophysical scientists surveyed believe that human activity has contributed to global warming, they believe what we believe and we agree. As we have explained time and time again above that is not an issue. The issue is how significant that contribution is. We say that you climate hysterics are exaggerating the amount that human contribution. Therefore, then, when somebody says like those scientists did, that they believe that human activity has contributed to global warming, we say, yes! So do we! We agree with them and they agree with us as far as that goes and so; Quote: On Dec 14, 2016, tommy wrote:
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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Great. There is no issue. According to Tommy, everyone agrees that the earth is warming and that human activity is one of the causal factors. This is progress.
Let's get to cleaning up our mess, then. Humans made it; humans should clean it up. Nothing left to disagree about. Finally!
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