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Docc sent out newsletter announcement tonight: "A Secret Method For Exchanging the Information on Several Billets Into EXACTLY What a Spectator Chooses"

http://www.nanacast.com/13monkeys

Demonstrated and explained in a 35 minute video. You also get detailed handlings and routines in over an hour of MP3 audio recording.

EFFECT 1: Mentalist writes 3 separate predictions. A spectator freely chooses a card from a deck he shuffled. He notes it and shuffles it back into the deck. He opens the billets himself. They predict the card’s color, suit, value and even where in the deck he shuffled it to!

EFFECT 2: Same as above - but NO CARDS ARE USED! Just an imaginary deck!

EFFECT 3: Mentalist writes 2 predictions. A spectator chooses a coin from a row of a dozen or more. He flips it and notes heads or tails. He opens the papers and they predict BOTH the coin AND heads or tails!

EFFECT 4: Mentalist predicts the sex and any chosen name of an unborn baby! All imagined in the minds of the audience. No name cards or baby books - just imagination!

EFFECT 5: Mentalist predicts the casino, the amount of the bet, the game, and the outcome on billets. A spectator pantomimes going to a casino, and placing money on a roulette bet. Your predictions are ALL 3 CORRECT! Everything happens in the imagination of the audience!
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Crap Zombie! You beat me to it!

This sounds truly INCREDIBLE.
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$19 too... yes please
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Yep. I will be getting this one...
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On 2013-10-05 01:19, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Crap Zombie! You beat me to it!

This sounds truly INCREDIBLE.


Magic.Maddy, I might change my Café name to Crap Zombie. It has a nice ring to it.

I really like these new Docc release formats. You get the intro price $19 ( they go up to $39-$49 ). Docc does a demo/teaching video, there's an hour of MP3 audio recording. and then there's the follow up live call ( which is recorded ). What's great about those is that everyone gets time to work with it and they send Docc ideas. Ben Salinas, Madison Hagler (Magic.Maddy ) Dan Butler, etc. have all made incredible contributions.

13 Monkeys says

"When the basic idea was introduced to mentalists, Ted Annemann thought so much of the secret, he showed it only to 3 people - and they were his family! He said it should be one of three foundations for a mentalist - An impression device, a swami writer and one of these! The basic premise has long been forgotten and rarely used.

I use an IMP and NW. I can't think of what the 3rd one would be, but it says "This gimmick is easy to construct in about 10 minutes with materials you probably already have around the house or office".
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Just noticed that it says, "13 MONKEYS is the perfect compliment to both the SYNDROME DECK and the QUESTA DECK."
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Just watched the video. This is definitely a very old concept and nothing new, however you are paying for a very clever handling. Time to listen to the audio!
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Maddy, can you give your thoughts on it? The blurb sounds incredible. It seems that if the prediction is that clean, then it is the only way one should go about predictions.

Any trade-offs or compromises? Will you be using it?
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Is it some kind of Billet I****?
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To start off, this is going to be VERY hard to write about without exposure but I will try my best.


General:
In the audio, Docc says that we have payed for the knowledge of what the gimmick is and in particular, the special way in which the gimmick is set up. (I'm being cryptic on purpose) However, I think the real value is in the routine structure itself.


Quality/Format:
This comes with a 34 minute and 42 second long MP4 video with Docc performing the main card effect and then explaining the basics of what you purchased. Honestly, I was fooled when I watched the performance. It also comes with a 1 hour, 8 minutes, and 45 seconds long MP3 audio file with Docc explaining the finer details of the 13 Monkeys routines and set up.

Teaching:
The teaching is very clear and precise as with all of Docc's products. Everything seems very well thought out and scripted.

Gimmick:
Docc actually teaches 3 different gimmicks (if you can call them gimmicks, it's more like "tools") that you could make for this routine. Each one has a different benefit, but they are are very simple and shouldn't be difficult to make at all. It's a VERY old gimmick, but it truly is a gimmick that doesn't see the light very often in modern times. I think the reason is because there are a lack of routines that make it worth-while.


Routines:
Although Docc covers a few different routines using this, the routines are really only limited by your imagination. You could do SO much with this. Once you learn the basic structure of the routines, you can really start to let the creative juices flow and come up with tons of brilliant ideas. My favorite routine is predicting the baby's name and gender. I think this is very smart and can be an extremely fun routine to perform. I also enjoy the roulette idea. I wasn't very found of the card routine though (both with a deck and with an imaginary deck.) To me, it is a lot of work for a card effect. Granted, it's a great card effect. If I use this, I won't be using the card effect.


Cons:
There is a little something that you have to carry with you, therefore you can't perform this at a moments notice unless you have the necessary gimmicks on you. This will seem contradictory to an earlier statement, but there is a limit as to what all you can predict. The ROUTINES are not limited, but the actually objects you can predict are. For example, you couldn't have them think of any random word and reveal it. It isn't meant for that.


Ad Copy:
This is something I think all reviewers should start doing. Go through the add and state whether the ad is true or false, and if false, why.

>A FREE choice -- True... unless you are performing with a borrowed deck or an imaginary deck. In those cases you must use Equivoque (I found a way without equivoque which I shared with Docc maybe it will be in the live call.)

>No forcing -- True... again unless you are performing the card routines

>No P-Writing -- True

>No Swami -- True

>No impressions -- True

>No One Ahead or Behind -- True

>No stooges -- True

>No misreading or miscalling -- True

>No duel reality -- True

>The billets aren’t switched -- False, all of the routines require a switch.

>A spectator can put his finger on a billet right after you write it - then read it - YOU NEVER TOUCH IT! -- False. This is just deceptive writing. Yes, they can put their finger on a single billet and then read that billet. You never touch that ONE billet. However, you do touch the other two.

>3 billets - not just one -- True

>your hands are in view - not shoved into your pockets -- True, unless you use one of the other gimmicks taught in which case, that is exactly what you do

>you can do this at almost any time. -- True as long as you have your gimmicks

>it’s great for IMPROMPTU -- True/False it depends on what is defined as "impromptu." To me, using a gimmick makes it not impromptu, but others disagree with that.

>it’s perfect for close-up -- True

>it can be done on stage -- True, however it would be very boring since the audience wouldn't see what is written on the billets

>it’s self contained -- True

>the billets reveal a FREE choice, but also an action or random event! -- True depending on which routine you're performing

>Whatever you want to predict BECOMES the truth! -- False. You can't predict whatever you want. There are pretty strict guidelines to follow.




Overall:
Over all, I'm happy with the purchase. It's a really good routine and it's structured nicely and all of the moves are well justified. For $19, I would buy this in a heart beat. Docc even gives a little discussion on how to properly use Amnesia in your magic/mentalism. Making them forget what you want them to forget. That was pretty interesting to hear and turned my world upside down.
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I am very impressed with Docc's new format.
It is very intimate which in my mind is the best way to learn something and his decision to combine it with an audio file is great.
I can't think of anything that would have been closer to really sit down with him and learn it first hand.
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On 2013-10-05 02:53, Magic.Maddy wrote:
Just watched the video. This is definitely a very old concept and nothing new...

Sounds somehow familiar.
The Mati Envelope
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Tarot cards in a scenic piece of mystery.....
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On 2013-10-05 05:32, Magic.Maddy wrote:

>it’s great for IMPROMPTU -- True/False it depends on what is defined as "impromptu." To me, using a gimmick makes it not impromptu, but others disagree with that.



Anyone who disagrees with you on that point has misplaced their brain. Using "impromptu" to describe a routine that uses a hidden gimmick is not just slightly incorrect, it's the exact opposite of what the word means (in a magic context).

Nice review, Maddy.
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IMPROMPTU

I guess my brain is misplaced in the Latin root words and the Doccinar customers to which the statement was directed.

Origin:
1660–70; < French < Latin in promptū in readiness; see in, prompt

NOT IMPROVISATIONAL

In Readiness!

As explained in detail in the Doccinar:
The IMPROMPTU Mind Reader!
And stated for those who have that Doccinar.


Kids... Play nice.
Ad copy discussions?
Really?


HYPERBOLE
...an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

It's what makes magic ads fun.

Lighten up.
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Quote:
On 2013-10-05 05:32, Magic.Maddy wrote:

>it’s great for IMPROMPTU -- True/False it depends on what is defined as "impromptu." To me, using a gimmick makes it not impromptu, but others disagree with that.



Anyone who disagrees with you on that point has misplaced their brain. Using "impromptu" to describe a routine that uses a hidden gimmick is not just slightly incorrect, it's the exact opposite of what the word means (in a magic context).

Nice review, Maddy.


Thanks Joe.

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On 2013-10-05 12:45, Docc Hilford wrote:
IMPROMPTU

I guess my brain is misplaced in the Latin root words and the Doccinar customers to which the statement was directed.

Origin:
1660–70; < French < Latin in promptū in readiness; see in, prompt

NOT IMPROVISATIONAL

In Readiness!

As explained in detail in the Doccinar:
The IMPROMPTU Mind Reader!
And stated for those who have that Doccinar.


Kids... Play nice.
Ad copy discussions?
Really?


HYPERBOLE
...an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

It's what makes magic ads fun.

Lighten up.




There's always been a lot of discussion on impromptu in today's modern society. I try to stay out of that discussion.


And I think the ads SHOULD be scrutinized more. But that isn't a bad thing Smile
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On 2013-10-05 12:45, Docc Hilford wrote:
IMPROMPTU

I guess my brain is misplaced in the Latin root words and the Doccinar customers to which the statement was directed.

Origin:
1660–70; < French < Latin in promptū in readiness; see in, prompt

NOT IMPROVISATIONAL

In Readiness!

As explained in detail in the Doccinar:
The IMPROMPTU Mind Reader!
And stated for those who have that Doccinar.


Kids... Play nice.
Ad copy discussions?
Really?


HYPERBOLE
...an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

It's what makes magic ads fun.

Lighten up.




Save it, Docc. Impromptu has a CLEAR definition in magic/mentalism. It's not yours to redefine. Your attempt to resort to etymology doesn't change that. The zig-zag illusion may be performed "promptly" but it's not impromptu.
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Excellent review, Maddy!

I absolutely love the way you go over all of the claims in the advertisement as far as the "True-False" aspects of it.

We need more of that here.

This is now the new standard for reviews, in my opinion.

I will remember the name of Magic.Maddy here from now on!
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On 2013-10-05 12:45, Docc Hilford wrote:
[...]

Kids... Play nice.
Ad copy discussions?
Really?


HYPERBOLE
...an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, as “to wait an eternity.”

It's what makes magic ads fun.

Lighten up.

I couldn't disagree with you more.

I don't find it in the least bit funny if I buy something only to find out I was deceived by misleading/inaccurate/untrue ad copy.

Advertising isn't just a bit of fun as far as the publishers are concerned. Neither, I think, should it be for their customers.

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And I couldn't agree with you more, Rich!

Purveyors of magic products just don't seem to get it, do they?
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On 2013-10-05 13:15, Jack Straw wrote:
Excellent review, Maddy!

I absolutely love the way you go over all of the claims in the advertisement as far as the "True-False" aspects of it.

We need more of that here.

This is now the new standard for reviews, in my opinion.

I will remember the name of Magic.Maddy here from now on!


Wow thank you!! I appreciate that, that means a lot. Glad you enjoyed it so much Smile
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