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Well, IF I am not entirely mistaken, Tesmar closed down over a year or so back (and went out of the magicbizz) and the rigths are now in the hands of HARRI (NOT the Swede), but Mr. Detlev Hartung...he does run a website, but it doesn't work very well yet:

http://www.magiccenterharri.de/a.php

His email-addy is:
D-Hartung@t-online.de

Hej, Mr. Ted Lesley..you should know that?? Smile
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The magiceffex.com shop still appears to be open, but whether Tesmar is still operating it (or whether he ever was) may be another matter.

After I wrote this first paragraph, I did a "whois" search on magiceffex.com. Interesting. Tesmar still owns it and apparently operates it, but he isn't selling anything from the site. He refers people to Murphy's and Fun, Inc., instead.

He is offering an interesting set of multiplying balls, but I don't think they are the Durania balls.
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I visited the same site. Transparent Multiplying Balls? That sounds very interesting and attractive.

So what's the big deal with these Durania balls? What makes them special?
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On 2004-08-05 08:43, rikbrooks wrote:
So what's the big deal with these Durania balls? What makes them special?
Heheh..I can se you don't know *them*..actually it's a single *gimmick*, the other balls are normal ones just to get loaded inside..

Well, as it is not allowed here to explain details of *tricks*/secrets- I already got one posting modified- Smile, let me say that the usual gimmick /s**ll used in the normal Chicago Ball trick can be shown from both sides, and even a ball with another color can be loaded inside at that time!

Gimmick simply consists of 2 s***ls that are hinged, diff. to explain, but when turning your hand to show the other -normally *open*-side, one part of the gimmick moves and so shows/displays a *normal* ball in reality 2 s***ls with their opening *meeting*..
Hope you get the idea...

Re *transparaent* balls, well..they can be used for a soap-bubble routine, catching soap-bubbles..even Fred Kaps did it way back in a great routine in combination with a variation of Dai Vernons, *Ball and Cone*-routine..
FK did use a *kind of* champagne glass as a cone and even removed the stem during the routine to get a *clean* cone..

BTW, if you want to see real magic, get the Fred Kaps DVD, Seeing is believing..see: Here!

This is your chance to see how magic can and should be like.. He was *the best*! and even after over 40 years (the earlier tapings are from over 40 years back) his routines are still a joy to watch and are enjoyed by everone seeing them..

I know- I'm late, as here in Europe I have not gotten the latest issue of *GENII*- there is a review of this DVD in the August issue and I can't imagine anything else than it will recommend the same I do..
GET THAT DVD, just for your pleasure and enjoyment..you'll not regret it.. Smile
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On 2004-08-05 09:33, Werner G. Seitz wrote:
Gimmick simply consists of 2 s***ls that are hinged, diff. to explain,


If you think they're hard to explain you ought to try making them! Now THAT'S difficult! "Simply..." doesn't enter into it. However, knowing his work if anyone can do it well Jim Riser can.
It will be nice if he manages to work out the rights issues. Then again, not having them out everywhere has been good for some performers. I hope there's enough of a market to make it worthwhile for him. The effect is NOT an easy one to perform well.
Jim, if there's any way I can assist you in you efforts, feel free to PM me.
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Dave;
Thanks for the offer and vote of confidence. I may take you up on the advice offer - if the rights owner can ever get tracked down. I figured I'd spin the parts.
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On 2004-08-05 09:33, Werner G. Seitz wrote:
Gimmick simply consists of 2 s***ls that are hinged, diff. to explain,


If you think they're hard to explain you ought to try making them! Now THAT'S difficult!

I most certainly don't protest..it is precision work, but, to explain how they look like, is VERY easy when using a simple drawing instead of a written explanation..

The *principle* is easy and one even can se it involves *gravity*, but I 100% agree, it is precission work to make them and to make a nice fit, so the diam. of one part -the outside- isn't too much diff. from the other -inside- part-which has to contain the *load*-the other balls..

Good luck..and simply try to contact Detlev Hartung..I'm pretty sure he holds the rights, as he does so with ALL the other stuff from *Werry* -after Tesmar officially gave it all over to him when he stopped dealing in magic.
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OK, now how do I contact Detlev Hartung?
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OK, now how do I contact Detlev Hartung?
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Any news on the Durania shells? Stevens doesn't have them anymore on their website!

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Only in my dreams. Dennis Loomis said he might entertain the idea if enough people were interested. I haven't heard anything for 2 years or so.

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No, I was never involved in this. You're thinking of my old partner Jim Riser. He's the craftsman. If he has the time, he certainly could do a great job with this. His website is http://www.jamesriser.com

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It's such an important gimmick, it would be terrific it was available again. I'm sure lots and lots of people would be interested. I'm similarly interested in the Lozenge, of which I once bought a very cheap version. You can make your own pretty easily (I made one for a tennis ball routine), but why not market those, too?
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On 2006-03-21 13:35, Christof wrote:
It's such an important gimmick, it would be terrific it was available again. I'm sure lots and lots of people would be interested. I'm similarly interested in the Lozenge, of which I once bought a very cheap version. You can make your own pretty easily (I made one for a tennis ball routine), but why not market those, too?


This is just the reason they do not manufacture them any longer. People bugged Stevens and he finally got some made special. Then no one bought them because they cost $90 for 3 balls and the gimmick. It took him years to sell the original gimmicks. So interest is not only a factor, but actually putting out the cash is required.

I don't know what a Lozenge is, but if you made one, then that is why a manufacturer does not. You made one, in stead of finding the original or had one made by a magic craftsman.

Did you look in the discount section for the imperfect balls at Stevens site?
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IMHO the reason Stevens couldn't sell the Durania gimmick had very little to do with the price. The size that Stevens sold was like 1 3/8". That's tiny. If they were made in 2" or 1 3/4" I would have bought a few sets.
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Well, now that you mention it... I agree that the problem of most balls sets out there is that they are too small. That's why I always made up my own - which also trained me in working without a shell... Smile
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The size was actually 1 5/8", the size Frank Radtke (House of Fakini) made years ago for Greg Wilson. Larger sizes work well for some, not so well for those with smaller hands. If only one size is to be made, a size that more people can use is the logical way to go. Larger silicone balls also make... "it"... behave more temperamentally.

Christof says "lots & lots" of people would be interested. "Lots & lots" of a very small number (people interested in magic, subset ball manipulation, subset advanced)is still a small number. That means the product (trick, book, cups) will be expensive because dies are expensive to make, labor is costly, etcetera, etcetera.

I doubt Joe will do them again. Your best bet is Jim Riser (see the old posts at the beginning)
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Guys;
I ran in to a dead end on getting any kind of responses on the "rights" search - so the project sits on hold. Dave is correct when he states that making only a few sets is not cost effective (end product becomes too expensive). A dozen or so guys wanting sets is hardly worth the effort and setup expenses. BTW - I was thinking 1 3/4" balls for the load balls. I'm still waiting for a legitimate rights holder (documented) to come forth. Until then, no Durania Balls from me.
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On 2006-03-22 10:46, RiserMagic wrote:
Guys;
I ran in to a dead end on getting any kind of responses on the "rights" search - so the project sits on hold. Dave is correct when he states that making only a few sets is not cost effective (end product becomes too expensive). A dozen or so guys wanting sets is hardly worth the effort and setup expenses. BTW - I was thinking 1 3/4" balls for the load balls. I'm still waiting for a legitimate rights holder (documented) to come forth. Until then, no Durania Balls from me.
Jim


From the advertising from Stevens he did a search in Europe and could not find anything. Richard Ross had this on his tape and only said he got it in Europe. At this point 'rights' is not an issue as something from the 1950's or 60's would be open for manufacture. Maybe finding this 'Durania' person would be the way to go! Never heard of a magician by that name, but I am not knowing of all European magicians.
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On 2006-03-21 22:32, Christof wrote:
Well, now that you mention it... I agree that the problem of most balls sets out there is that they are too small. That's why I always made up my own - which also trained me in working without a shell... Smile


There are many versions of the Billiard Balls without shells in print. It is nice you are creative enough to do so. But in the end, does it really matter to an audience viewing the routine. If you can make it 'more' magical by using a shell, then the shell is the way to go. Unless you are like Davenport from England, he has the MC announce that he uses no gimmicks in his manipulation act and relies purely on sleight of hand to accomplish his magic routines.

This means nothing to a lay audience. They are there to be entertained and enjoy the material, not say, "Wow, that guy did not use a shell."
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