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They made a movie out of the Lord of the Rings books?
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On 2003-12-22 23:15, josie67 wrote:
They made a movie out of the Lord of the Rings books?


Sure did. And I hear "Gone With The Wind" is next.
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Ok... just got back from seeing it. I'm am almost speechless. This movie had so many emotional tugs in it I found myself wanting to reach into the screen and take a swing at an orc or two. For sheer desparate times calling for desparate measures, nothing beats this tale. I thought this when I read the books and must stand by it now. Return Of The King is, IMHO, the best of the three, but when they are all taken in as one story, it is quite overwhelming. There was such human-elemnt to the scenes and the strengths and/or weaknesses of the characters was undeniable and honest.
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I also got the chance to watch this movie tonight and wasn't dissapointed at all!! I loved it!!

I've been a big fan since I was a kid and have read the trilogy a few times over the years. The movie stayed true to the book and some of the scenes were breath taking! Amazing movie and I'd recommend it! Smile
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Fell asleep six times in the theatre watching the first one. Just caught the second one on STARZ this evening. That's nearly three hours of my life I'm never getting back (I don't think the movie's long and boring enough so let's put in some superfluous flash back scenes to slow it way down).

I doubt anything short of being granted elvin immortality could make me go to see the last of these turkeys. These movies make Titanic look good.

The director failed the first rule of good story telling, making one care about any of the characters.

Frodo couldn't throw himself into the pit of Mordor fast enough for my tastes.
Visually they're a disaster as well. Everything has to be a thousand time bigger than anything ever seen on earth. They just can't cross a swamp, no they have to cross a swamp the size of a small ocean.

Castles have to be ten times taller than any castle ever built. Cities have to sit in vast vistas filled with nothing but more vistas. What did the folk in Rohan eat? Theres no farm fields anywhere in sight.

Most everyone I know agrees that the books this dismal series was based upon could use a really good editor. This could have and should have been done in the movies. The whole trilogy would have made a great action packed ninety minute movie. As it is it is a nearly ten hour (over ten hours if you count the bonus footage on the DVD) interminable sleepfest.

Can't hold a candle to ANY of the Star Wars films. But then to be fair I've never read the books as they put me right to sleep as well.

On a side topic, does anyone know of a book or thesis on what would have happened to modern fantasy literature if Hitler had never come to power?
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Just wathced it, and all I can say is brilliant, just brilliant! To be honest, I was tearing up at some parts (most people were anyway). Greatest.Trilogy.Ever Smile

P/S:The music was awesome as well, I think the film would have gone nowhere without the brilliant music.
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Saw it last night. Absolutely spectacular! The best of the three and the trilogy without a doubt has to be considered one of the greatest ever.

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Perhaps the PKDick 'Man in the High Tower' covers this issue well enough for you? Yarrow sticks and all.

Will off to see the hobbits and elephants later next week.

* later edit: whoops sorry Payne, I misread. The question is also quite deep as it begs issues of if the Russian idea of space travel and Stanislaw Ulam's stories would have inspired western authors. I can offer a darker theis: The Russian and Chinese revolutions may have been followed by expansion of Marxism throughout Europe and America might have found itself alone facing and a militant socialist EU. If so, would Ayn Rand have been a pariah?

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I saw this movie and thought it was the best one out of the whole series. 2 Thumbs up!
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On 2003-12-24 02:04, Payne wrote:
Fell asleep six times in the theatre watching the first one. Just caught the second one on STARZ this evening. That's nearly three hours of my life I'm never getting back (I don't think the movie's long and boring enough so let's put in some superfluous flash back scenes to slow it way down). I doubt anything short of being granted elvin immortality could make me go to see the last of these turkeys. These movies make Titanic look good.
The director failed the first rule of good story telling, making one care about any of the characters.
Frodo couldn't throw himself into the pit of Mordor fast enough for my tastes.
Visually there a disaster as well. Everything has to be a thousand time bigger than anythin ever seen on earth. They just can't cross a swamp, no they have to cross a swamp the size of a small ocean. Castles have to be ten times taller than any castle ever built. Cities have to sit in vast vistas filled with nothing but more vistas. What did the folk in Rohan eat? Theres no farm fields anywhere in sight.
Most everyone I know agrees that the books this dismal series was based upon could use a really good editor. This could have and should have been done in the movies. The whole trilogy would have made a great action packed ninety minute movie. As it is it is a nearly ten hour (over ten hours if you count the bonus footage on the DVD) interminable sleepfest.
Can't hold a candle to ANY of the Star Wars films.
But then to be fair I've never read the books as they put me right to sleep as well.
On a side topic, does anyone know of a book or thesis on what would have happened to modern fantasy literature if Hitler had never come to power?


Payne, you've got an uphill battle. You're talking to people who thought the "Matrix" movies were deep and philosophical.
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Payne, you've got an uphill battle. You're talking to people who thought the "Matrix" movies were deep and philosophical.


But the Matrix movies were Deep and Philosophical to those who had never been exposed to these basic concepts before.
At least it may have got some of them thinking on a different level than they had before.
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I also got the chance to watch this movie tonight and wasn't dissapointed at all!! I loved it!!

I've been a big fan since I was a kid and have read the trilogy a few times over the years. The movie stayed true to the book and some of the scenes were breath taking! Amazing movie and I'd recommend it! Smile


Chrystal you summed it up perfectly. Smile

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Just saw the film yesterday. Impressive.

As to its content and underlying messages... perhaps that's for another discussion?

I'll open a gambit for this later discussion and posit an interpretation of the story as taking place a few thousand years into our future. What lessons have we learned? And what lessons do we wish to learn?

The 'matrix' issues of map versus territory and the utility of certain ontological positions would also do with a seperate discussion.

IMHO the LOTR films make better entertainment as they do not demand active or critical processing on the part of the viewer. Just sit back and look at what you are shown (repeatedly) and resonate with sentiments as cued by the music.

How many rings on chains that get drawn towards selected cards are we going to see this coming year?

Aside from the few inconsiderate though well read folks who felt the need to discuss plot points, the audience was the most quiet I have noticed in many years. The film itself was impressive and dramatic. It looks as if the bar for 'epic' films has been raised to a new high.
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Heck I loved this movie Smile I never read the Hobbit books, but the movies were decently action packed.
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Yeah, they made a heck of a trilogy out of those Hobbit books! Smile
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The director failed the first rule of good story telling, making one care about any of the characters.


WE HAVE A WINNER! I couldn't care less about any of the characters. And frankly - Frodo should've tossed himself into the fire and taken one for middle earth.

And since Star Wars is another movie of discussion, let's compare...

Frodo vs. Luke Skywalker: Luke. Please, the guy faced the Rancor monster.
Gandalf vs. Obi-Wan Kanobe: Obi-Wan. Hmmm, without his staff Gandalf is just an old guy.
Aragorn vs. Han Solo: Hokey religions are no match for a good blaster. Han Solo wins.

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Visually they're a disaster as well. Everything has to be a thousand time bigger than anything ever seen on earth. They just can't cross a swamp, no they have to cross a swamp the size of a small ocean.


Ooooh. You're good.
I agree again. Millions of dollars in visual effects does not a good movie make!

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The whole trilogy would have made a great action packed ninety minute movie. As it is the movie is nearly ten hour (over ten hours if you count the bonus footage on the DVD) interminable sleepfest.


I'll disagree in part. I don't think 90 would've done it.
But ONE 3 hour action packed movie would've been MUCH better.

I only saw the Return of the King in the theatre. I couldn't imagine watching the other two in the theatre and leaving after 3 hours WITHOUT HAVING AN ENDING.

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Can't hold a candle to ANY of the Star Wars films.


I agree.
While many don't like the 'new' Star Wars flicks, they're not supposed to. The new SW movies are designed for the REAL Star Wars fans to complete the story.

If you didn't like Star Wars to begin with (circa 1977), you likely never will.

LOTR as a trilogy wasn't as bad as Payne suggests. But they were bad.

The ending of Return of the King...
I spend 9 hours watching this series and that's what they come up with for destroying the ring???

PLEASE! That was the most anti-climactic ending ever. All that build up. All that story and the ring doesn't go dramatically. It was a waste.

Oh yeah. After the 9 hours of build up to the cheeser destruction of the ring...you get another 35 minutes of blah blah cr*p.

The ring is destroyed.
Fade to black and credit roll? Nope!
They go home.
Fade to black and credit roll? Nope!
They get on a boat.
Fade to black and credit roll? Nope!
They go back to the Shire.
Fade to black and credit roll? I forget.

After the ring was destroyed the movie had the ending that would not end. Ugh.
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So has anyone ever wondered why Gandalf and Frodo just didn’t jump on that giant moth thing and fly to mount doom? He could have just thrown the stupid ring in the fire and that could have been the end of it! Smile
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I agree again. Millions of dollars in visual effects does not a good movie make!

Hahaha!! Sorry, that just sounds funny when you are comparing the movie to Star Wars, which if I am not mistaken was one of the most technologically advanced movies of its time, and was hailed for excessive use of special effects!!
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Visually they're a disaster as well. Everything has to be a thousand time bigger than anything ever seen on earth. They just can't cross a swamp, no they have to cross a swamp the size of a small ocean.

Again, very amusing considering the scope of Star Wars. Everything was Big, Big, BIG! From the expansive desserts/forests/swamps to the absurdly large armies/battleship/deathstar.

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I spend 9 hours watching this series and that's what they come up with for destroying the ring???

Ahhh, no...thats what literary genius Tolkien came up with for the ending! don't forget, these movies were based on a highly successful series of books. If you want, you could compare the books to the 'new' Star Wars movies. They provide far greater background and explanation than the moives could ever hope to, but are really only the realm of those who care!
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On 2003-12-24 02:04, Payne wrote:
Fell asleep six times in the theatre watching the first one. Just caught the second one on STARZ this evening. That's nearly three hours of my life I'm never getting back (I don't think the movie's long and boring enough so let's put in some superfluous flash back scenes to slow it way down).

I doubt anything short of being granted elvin immortality could make me go to see the last of these turkeys. These movies make Titanic look good.

The director failed the first rule of good story telling, making one care about any of the characters.

Frodo couldn't throw himself into the pit of Mordor fast enough for my tastes.
Visually they're a disaster as well. Everything has to be a thousand time bigger than anything ever seen on earth. They just can't cross a swamp, no they have to cross a swamp the size of a small ocean.

Castles have to be ten times taller than any castle ever built. Cities have to sit in vast vistas filled with nothing but more vistas. What did the folk in Rohan eat? Theres no farm fields anywhere in sight.

Most everyone I know agrees that the books this dismal series was based upon could use a really good editor. This could have and should have been done in the movies. The whole trilogy would have made a great action packed ninety minute movie. As it is it is a nearly ten hour (over ten hours if you count the bonus footage on the DVD) interminable sleepfest.

Can't hold a candle to ANY of the Star Wars films. But then to be fair I've never read the books as they put me right to sleep as well.

On a side topic, does anyone know of a book or thesis on what would have happened to modern fantasy literature if Hitler had never come to power?


ok now that is just offensive
how could someone think so little on these great movies!!!
P.S. this is what part of the alphabet would look like if "Q" and "R" were eleminated
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