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On 2013-10-30 15:03, LobowolfXXX wrote: You're forgetting that 2013 isn't an election year. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2013-10-30 14:54, rockwall wrote: Yes. And everyone who reads the reports is free to check the analyses.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2013-10-30 15:03, LobowolfXXX wrote: If it saves one life, it will be worth it. |
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3042 Posts
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Car makers have had to provide headrests for years, ostensibly to protect from whiplash. Some commercial buses also have them. Last time I looked into a schoolbus, there were no headrests.
Huh??????
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irossall Special user Snohomish, Washington 529 Posts
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"In a collision, high seat backs prevent kids from being thrown great distances, and impact-absorbing materials soften the blow".
I rode my Daughter's bus when I was a chaperone for a class outing. There was no "impact-absorbing materials" to slam into (unless you consider the child's head to be impact-absorbing. There was nothing but cold steel in front of each kid. Also, the steel bar on the seat in front of each child would hit the average child right across the forehead. 440,000 School buses on the road? For how long each day? Maybe 1 hour but only on school day's. Compare this to how many cars are on the road 24/7. Of course the number of wrecks and injury/death is going to be much higher for cars and much lower for buses. I don't buy into the stats. $800 million to outfit all of the buses? Government spent almost that much on the "Obama Care" website. We have the money if we really want it but Government has much more important priorities and I am afraid that Child safety is low on that list (even though the Government claims otherwise). How much is the Life of 11 children worth? Not $800 million for sure. What is a Child's Life Worth? My guess is not a penny to the power's to be, unless that Child can be exploited in a political campaign or some money making scheme. Maybe velcro seats on the bus would be cost effective and the parents can pay for the velcro clothing their Child would wear. Iven 
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2013-10-30 16:46, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: OK, I'll bite. I know there are certain AGW proposals that you support. Pick one. Show me the report that supports it and the cost/benefit analysis at the end. |
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Ekuth Inner circle Floating above my 1538 Posts
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I thought we couldn't put a price on children's lives. Sure we can. They do it in Mexico all the time. And India, and...
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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On 2013-10-31 09:55, rockwall wrote: Time to look for yourself. I'll believe it when I see it. Try google scholar and search under, say, "Can and Trade". You'll find dozens. Or maybe you could search for "Climate change cost benefit analysis". Heck you could even read The Skeptical Environmentalist for some light analysis. And if you're really looking for the easy way out, look at any of the first four IPCC reports for cost benefit analysis. You won't find it in the new report as that section won't be released until 2014. Happy reading.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts
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On 2013-10-31 15:02, Ekuth wrote: ...and the United States. You just can't SAY it, if you're running for office.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2013-10-31 15:53, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Well, I didn't want to make any assumptions about which AGW proposals you support. I never would have guessed 'Can and Trade'. I think my grandma did that one when she would can a bunch of peaches and trade them for something else. I suppose the planting of the fruit trees was a big benefit towards decreasing global warming. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts
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Oh my, autocorrect again. Boy am I wrong about climate change. Or maybe you could try "Cap and trade". Boy am I embarrassed.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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Are you really surprised that he jumped on a typo in order to provide a sarcastic answer rather than responding to the substance of your post? |
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3017 Posts
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It would be interesting to know if seat belts would have prevent those 11 deaths each year. It's certainly possible that unfortunately, some fatalities would occur even if the children were belted in.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts
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On 2013-10-31 16:46, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: I just felt it appropriate to respond to snark with snark. |
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ldl1017 Elite user 476 Posts
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A school bus can carry up to 82 children in it. I drive a 78 passenger school bus every day. The only seats that have seat belts are the two front seats...one on each side of the bus. I've only seen them used for car seats. I think some of the reasoning is if we were to get into an accident and had to evacuate the bus quickly, a seat belt on all the kids could possibly mean a matter of life and death. Some kids would panic and not be able to unlatch the belt quickly. This is just my opinion and my thoughts. If I remember, I'll ask my company about it and post their answer here.
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ldl1017 Elite user 476 Posts
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A school bus can carry up to 82 children in it. I drive a 78 passenger school bus every day. The only seats that have seat belts are the two front seats...one on each side of the bus. I've only seen them used for car seats. I think some of the reasoning is if we were to get into an accident and had to evacuate the bus quickly, a seat belt on all the kids could possibly mean a matter of life and death. Some kids would panic and not be able to unlatch the belt quickly. This is just my opinion and my thoughts. If I remember, I'll ask my company about it and post their answer here.
“I am, as I've said, merely competent. But in an age of incompetence, that makes me extraordinary.”
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