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Ninjamonkey New user 5 Posts |
Hi,
Im getting back in to Magic after finding my old stash of tricks. I spent all of my money growing up on card tricks and some stage prop tricks. Im going through lots of the books and re-discovering how fun it is to pull off a move discreetly. Times have changed since I last went looking for that one trick I saw on TV, spoke to the guy at the magic shop and wound up buying 3 things I hadn't heard of until then. It seems like today there are 1000s of videos on youtube and websites dedicated to revealing secrets for free. Some of these seem to be there purely for the people who google something out of frustration when they see something on TV but lots of them seem to be genuinely geared towards people who want to learn. Do you rate these websites or do you prefer more traditional methods of learning? |
george1953 Inner circle Mallorca (Spain) 5943 Posts |
Most of these sites are rubbish. They are written by people who THINK they know, not working performers who know how to routine an effect properly. I would stick to books and DVDs.
By failing to prepare, we are preparing to fail.
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smullins Special user United States 678 Posts |
Aaron Fisher is probably the only person who was giving stuff away for free on YouTube I would trust.
99% of the time you get what you paid for in the YouTube/Free section of things. The BEST way to learn a sleight or a move is directly from the creator through personal instruction OR their DVD/book it came out in. When you rely on someone else teaching it you're assuming they have spent the proper time with it and understand every aspect of it. Which, sadly, isn't true for that 99% of YouTubers. They are just looking for attention mostly. |
MarkRochon New user Martinez, CA 23 Posts |
I'm also just getting back into magic and the only thing I've really found YouTube useful for is as a quick (lazy) reference. Like I'll run across something in a book I've never heard of - like the "Biddle move" - and I do a quick google and watch, an often bad, video of the move but at least I have an idea of what it is until I can find a good write up in book. Other then that I'm sticking with books - and I'm starting to come around on DVDs.
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djurmann Inner circle thinks time to practice and stop writing 1481 Posts |
I wrote a bit on this here: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=41&12
Hope it helps, Danny |
liormk New user 71 Posts |
I agree with Mark, it's an easy reference, though I mostly use it to see how other people present the effect (performances).
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Ninjamonkey New user 5 Posts |
Thanks for your responses. I agree that lots of them are lazy but some of them seem quite well done. Saying that I fully intend to have a healthy mix of book time as I learn.
I'm going to head over to the magic convention in London today, see if I can find some treats! |
Jinx18 New user 54 Posts |
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On 2013-11-15 13:22, MarkRochon wrote: I agree fully. Use It for a reference on what a trick is but learn the intricacies from a professional. |
YLyoo Regular user South Korea 108 Posts |
I think youtube exposure is really a problem for the magic community.
Lots of publicity seekers posting secrets everywhere... |
Terrible Wizard Inner circle 1973 Posts |
I find it very hard to learn physical stuff (sleights) directly from books (especially without pictures/photos) and so tend towards DVDs. For me, then, I find Youtube very useful for simple sleights and manipulations (especially for flourishes). However, most 'tricks' on there seem to be very badly performed (I often turn off long before the end) and quite dull, and it seems very iffy ethically to expose a secret invented and developed and performed by someone else.
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Caci New user 4 Posts |
I think a good combo of both really helps. Everyone learns differently. I feel if I can see a sleight or move, I have a better idea of what's going on. Books tend to go into greater detail, and words are chosen more carefully. But sometimes I'm still left scratching my head as to what exactly the author means, and the 1 drawing or picture doesn't always cut it. So I'll find a video to point me in the right direction. Then I'll re-read the book and I then have a better grasp on what I'm doing. Sure the video may not be the best, but I'm not really learning from it per se, just using it for a visual reference. If you're going to take someone's advice, it should be a seasoned magician and not some kid in his basement.
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magicfish Inner circle 7004 Posts |
Books.
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Kaneda New user Keithville, LA 81 Posts |
I personally love books, but sometimes have a hard time following. If I can see a video of an effect I am working on I will watch it then go back to the book.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
I don't think anyone has a "hard time" following through my books. You gotta' read the good stuff, kaneda.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
thementalcoach New user Sacramento, CA 64 Posts |
I like books a LOT, and I also find good quality DVD's helpful. For example I own a hard copy of Corinda's 13 Steps to Mentalism AND I have the DVD set of Richard Osterlind's take on Corinda's 13 Steps to Mentalism. I'll spend time on one effect, reading, watching and practicing - over and over and over... What helps me with some effects is that with a good quality video you can slo-mo and freeze, plus watching the subtleties of the presentation I find really helpful.
I will admit, though, that I learned "How to Develop a Super Power Memory" back in the '70's without watching a video...
David Kenward - The Mental Coach
One-on-One: Healing Trauma - Hypnosis, Hypnotherapy Groups: Magic, Mentalism Sacramento, California http://thementalcoach.com |
Ihop Inner circle Glen Spey, NY 1604 Posts |
LOL
This isn't a magic book but may be useful for some of us. Secret Keeper: The Delicate Power of Modesty by Gresh, Dannah K. (Jun 16, 2011) Available on Amazon
Ihor
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