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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Right now I am constructing the No Tear Newspaper 2 and plan on using it for an opener for a repeat booking. This seems like a great opener because it doesn't require audience interaction, it's strong and it gives plenty of room for comedy elements. I am excited about this new particular trick! I reckon I will have to do some rehersal with the trick once I have finished constructing it. My plan is to show a new set of tricks which I do well to this repeat client. I don't like to show a repeat booking the same material over again, yet, any new material I want to be sure I have polished and am very good at it as well.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Got my first No Tear Newspaper made after some initial confusion. Practiced it a little bit, but probably go ahead and make a few more that way these new ones are not re-creased. Should be a lot of fun to perform! I just had a little trouble making sure everything was folded correctly. Got a bit confusing listening to the DVD.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
I'm confused as to why this would be good as an opener for a close up show. Now, I do not own it, but have always loved seeing others perform it. I think the premise is great. When I think close up, I think more intimate. I think this effect plays great for parlor/stage. How are the angles and how does it appear from a few feet away?
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-11-21 07:24, twistedace wrote: Generally, my shows involve 30 people or less and this trick would not require audience interaction. I have never had anybody just come up and violate my "performer's space" while performing a formal close up magic show so, I can't see how this would be a problem. The audience should have some respect for the performer's space. Of course, I do have audience participation as well, but this is not one of the tricks I would use for audience participation but is best used as an opener for obvious reasons in that it establishes your credibility as a magician right off the bat. In my opinion a good opener is one that doesn't have audience participation but rather, establishes the magician's credibility and gets the audience's attention and wanting to watch the show. So, I usually have audience participation in the middle part of my show and throughout most of my show. Generally, in my performances, I have not had audience members sitting at the same table with me because it's difficult to seat 30 people at a table (but you can seat SOME of the 30 people or less at the table, IF you wanted to BUT you don't have to). Their are also some tricks you can perform close up as well as on stage (which is good for a close up magician who would like to get into stage without having to buy expensive stage props or illusions). Also, this trick seems to be good for angles for a show, but not good for strolling close up magic (because you could have people behind you at all times in a strolling environment where this is not the case in a show environment). Which, I would never perform this strolling. Overall, from a show perspective, I would say this is a good trick for angles, but obviously you would not use it in strolling magic. As part of the performance of the trick you can turn as you flip through the pages of the paper as well to where they can't see anything fishy on the other side of the paper where someone would read the articles. But you do, like any magic trick, must practice and rehearse the trick and present it well to eliminate any audience suscipicions.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
To me it would simply not fit.
But that is what is great about having different people. Different right answers.
Danny Doyle
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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I agree. I think this trick can be performed for a close up show, on stage or in a parlor type setting. However, if you perform for a close up show, I can see why some might be concerned about angles of the trick IF you have people sitting at the same table with you. But even then, if you have practiced and rehearsed it well, you could probably still perform this trick even with people sitting at the same table with you, so long as you don't have people sitting behind you of course. It's not a trick I would use strolling obviously. Too cumbersome for one thing plus you could have people watching you from behind. Most tricks, ideally, you want angle proof, but their are some great tricks out there that are not fully angle proof, yet are great for specific types of shows (stage, close up, parlor or busking). Plus, I think having a choice of tricks that are good for close up, parlor, busking and stage is a good idea because then you can build a stage show or other type shows with the same tricks and be flexible in the type shows you offer. Me personally, I do not offer a stage show yet, but I do have some tricks that are good for various different type shows.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I guess the confusion enters when we don't define terms.
In what way is it a close up show without people sitting with you at a table? The ENTIRE POINT of a close up setting is to have them up close and in your pocket. THAT is the magic of the close up show.
Danny Doyle
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-11-21 17:39, Dannydoyle wrote: Well, this is how some of the close up magicians do it at the magic castle in the close up parlor section: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZXVJd-mnOs. I assume you are not Danny Sylvester given your forum name is Dannydoyle. He doesn't have anybody sitting at a table with him! He's doing card tricks and close up tricks all without ever having anybody at a table sitting with him! Given that's the case, you can use this trick in this particular kind of close up setting. This is how I perform my shows as well, where I have a table or borrow a table where I will be performing at and the audience sits in front of me.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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themagicguy Loyal user Australia 280 Posts |
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On 2013-11-21 19:06, General_Magician wrote: I would consider that YouTube clip a parlour show. |
General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Then I guess by your definition I perform a parlour show. I don't think it's necessary to get too hung up on what in exact, precise terms should be considered a close up show and what should not be. It probably helps to have people seated at a table with you to do a close up magic show, but it is not necessary. I guess if that is the case, then it is considered a "parlour show," that is if one does a show, even though it has close up magic tricks in the show, but does not have audience members sitting at a table with them.
It's seems a bit confusing, petty, inflexible (inflexible because of the insistence of sticking to very narrow definitions) and unfocused on what is important ( which what is important to me is a good opener that is versatile for a wide variety of different type shows) trying to pin down exact and precise definitions as some magicians consider the above youtube clip a close up show while some others consider it a parlour show. I guess a more accurate term would be "close up parlour" magic in which I perform for 30 people or less. That is how I would best describe the show I perform as I entertain people in a similar manner as shown in the above video when performing a formal show if one wanted to go to the trouble of trying to nail down exact percise terms to describe specifically what type of show I perform or the type of show the gentleman in the above video performs (because both he and I do perform close up magic tricks in a similar manner).
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes we need to use precise terms if we hope to communicate.
Danny Doyle
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twistedace Inner circle philadelphia 3772 Posts |
I agree with Danny. When I do close up, it's CLOSE. That IS the beauty of a close up show. I do lots of walk around, but I've done many formal close up shows too. I always start with the bunnies because it's quick, has many magic moments, gets the audience involved, and has a great ending. It establishes that I'm fun, engaging, and amazing immediately. Parlor is different- I WOULD use the newspaper tear in a stand up situation, but to me it's not a close up effect. I want the audience to at least feel like they've handled a majority of the props and they're "normal". But that's my style and that's why magic is so cool. Everyone has a different style and the same effects cans be presented in completely different ways.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
I usually have volunteers come up or I go to the audience like this guy and have them pick out a card and I also do sponge balls in my show and of course, have audience participation as well. For the opener though, I prefer to establish I am a magician and do something that really catches their attention and draws them into my show and I usually pick a trick that does not require audience participation for the opener.
A trick that's like "Whoah! That was visual and amazing! Let's see what else this guy does!" But I do not have people seated at a table with me when I perform. I have seen other magicians do this and I guess I could too. Personally, I enjoy performing the way I am currently performing and it suits me well and the audience seems to enjoy it. I probably would use this particular trick even if I had people sitting at the table with me, but before I did, I would rehearse the performance of the trick with a few close friends seated at a table around me to be sure the way I am performing it is good (making sure the angles are still good). Depending on the way you perform this trick, their are times in the trick when you could show all sides of the newspaper and I would certainly try to do this to eliminate any audience suscipicions.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
What you do is a small parlor show.
No problem. Just so we don't get confused and talk at cross purposes. I do a formal close up show in Puerto Vallarta 3 times a week. It has 4 people at the table and about 200 or more in the audience. Cameras and a huge screen make it work. It even feels close up for those not so close. We tier the seating and nobody is more than 30 feet from the table. It can be done it just takes some thought. It is the very intimate nature of this set up that helps the audience see a difference in a parlor setting. It is an entirely different show and experience. Being that close helps.
Danny Doyle
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2013-11-22 09:43, Dannydoyle wrote: Sounds awesome Danny! I would love to see your show! Are you more of a card guy or coin guy? Me, I like to incorporate variety into my show (hence my forum nick name a "general magician" rather than a "card" or "coin" magician). I enjoy sponge balls, coins, cards, tricks like prohibition, torn and restored newspaper or spinoffs such as No Tear 2, things of that nature.
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Hirwa New user 55 Posts |
A good opener for a CLOSE UP show has to be flashy, interesting, short and visual. Just to awake the people and arouse their interest. Everything with money is suitable, I have great success with Sander's Extreme burn. But there are other possibilities of course. Then you can go into more elaborate routines.
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