Did they return (bury) him in the ocean?


But seriously, is this belief why ashes (of those cremated) are often took out to sea?

Tom

I don't think so. Except, maybe, among sailors and those who loved the sea. (And, besides, it's cheaper than a burial plot or vault, and somewhat more romantic than flushing. )

I know one man they buried face down, they said that way if he tried to scratch out he would only go deeper.

:)
Tom

I knew a chiropractor they buried face down so the people who hated chiropractors could kiss his....

We know the royal diadem symbolizes the crowning of wisdom. - that is to say, the continual animation of the centres of higher life in the head. Its circuit ends at the central point in the forehead, symbolized in Egypt by the frontal uraeus. When the Egyptians speak of channels in the human body, they are referring not only to physical channels (nerves and vessels) but also to circuits of energy. Fluxes of energy are as much nutritive fluxes as "magnets" of the universal force. They are not necessarily carried by physical vessels. They could, for example, be considered fluxes of induction that emanate from specific centres precisely located according to the definite pathways enveloping physical matter. So a therapeutic system based primarily upon the interactions of the spine and nervous system, where the method of treatment is usually being to adjust the segments of the spinal column will have some effect on the universal force and I don't see anything impractical about it.

... subluxations??

LOL!

Ron

I never knew onw who knew what those were.

I recall hearing, and I can't remember who told me and I don't know how accurate it is, that one problem with the current perception of chiropractic had to do with Arnold Schwarzenegger. What I heard is that there were reputable modern practitioners on whatever the big chiropractic board is down there in California and that Schwarzenegger fired them all when he became Governor and installed his pal Franco Columbu, who created his own board. The story goes that the accreditation behind Columbu's degree is sketchy at best and a lot of other chiropractors were pretty miffed. This could all be a story concocted by angry chiropractors who lost their positions in favor of Franco, but I don't know. Everything I've seen of Franco Columbu makes him look like a nice enough guy but I've never met him.

I believe that chiropractic has evolved from some of its wilder earlier claims, just as psychology has evolved beyond hypnotism, vibrators, and magic bath tubs. The chiropractor I saw after my accident didn't crack my neck or any of that nonsense (though he did pop my back at the end.) Most of his work involved breaking up the scar tissue in the muscle to help me regain some flexibility.

Here's a picture of Franco at the Ocean:

Perhaps some chiropractors have. Indeed, there are "straights" and "mixers" within the profession. Straights are strict followers of Palmer's vitalism theories, and Mixers incorporate other treatments, some of which can be evidence-based, but oftentimes Mixers also embrace acupuncture/homeopathy/reflexology, etc. as well. I have gone on the websites of some of the chiropractors that I have worked with, and for those whose websites are more than just address and phone number, they do seem to espouse the fundamental philosophy of Daniel David Palmer. Heck, in the office building where I work, a chiropractor opened shop earlier this year down the hall. Their sign on the door advertises that they also have a Reflexologist on the premises. And for those less familiar with Reflexology, here is a description (diagram not included - bolding is mine):

http://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/reflex.html
Reflexology, also called zone therapy, is based on the notion that each body part is represented on the hands and feet and that pressing on specific areas on the hands or feet can have therapeutic effects in other parts of the body. Most proponents claim:
•The body is divided into 10 longitudinal zones—five on each side of the body.
•Each organ or part of the body is represented on the hands and feet;
•The practitioner can diagnose abnormalities by feeling the hands or feet
•Massaging or pressing each area can stimulate the flow of energy, blood, nutrients, and nerve impulses to the corresponding body zone and thereby relieve ailments in that zone.

Reflexology was introduced into the United States in 1913 by William H. Fitzgerald, M.D. (1872-1942), an ear, nose, and throat specialist who called it "zone therapy." As noted in the diagram to the right, he used vertical lines to divide the body into 10 zones. Eunice D. Ingham (1899-1974) further developed reflexology in the 1930s and 1940s, concentrating on the feet [3] Mildred Carter, a former student of Ingham, subsequently promoted foot reflexology as a miraculous health method [4-6]. A 1993 mailing from her publisher stated:

Not only does new Body Reflexology let you cure the worst illnesses safely and permanently, it can even work to reverse the aging process, Carter says. Say goodbye to age lines, dry skin, brown spots, blemishes -- with Body Reflexology you can actually give yourself an at-home facelift with no discomfort or disfiguring surgery.


Anyway, if there is indeed a slow evolution within chiropractic towards more evidence-based medicine, then that is a good thing. Just do your research and be wary.


Ron

Lets see..

The History Western Medicine:

Trepanation
Blood Letting
Phrenology


I go to a chiroptactor for my back and always feel great for a while after an adjustment. Could I get surgery? yes. But I don't want to. If my chiropractor started spewing some kind of humor theory mumbo jumbo I would be out of there real fast.

Just as if my MD got out his trepanning hammer to fix my blood pressure ( or anything else ).

True enough, Pecan. However, modern evidence-based medicine no longer espouses those theories/philosophies. However, chiropractic has not made any effort to distance itself from it's questionable beginnings when a grocer (D.D. Palmer) claims to have cured a deaf man by a spinal adjustment. In fact, the leading chiropractic college is The Palmer College of Chiropractic. The following is from it's own website (bolding is mine):

****** D.D. Palmer — (March 7, 1845 - October 20, 1913) The Founder
At the end of the 19th century, when D.D. Palmer came on the health care scene, medicine was leaving an era of proclaimed cure-alls to pursue more scientific investigation into the treatment of disease. D.D. reasoned that the body had an ample supply of natural healing power transmitted through the nervous system. If a single organ was sick, it must not be receiving its normal nerve supply. That led to the premise of spinal misalignment, or subluxation, and from there to a procedure for adjusting the vertebrae. D.D. performed his first adjustments in 1895, relieving one man of deafness and another person of heart trouble. Arrangements were made to train others in the application of the chiropractic principle. The Palmer School and Cure was founded in 1897 and was later incorporated under the laws of Iowa. The school later became the Palmer School of Chiropractic. ******


From another section of the website:

****** Misalignments of your spine and poor health

No part of your body escapes the dominance of your nervous system. Improper function of the spine due to slight misalignments—called subluxations—can cause poor health or function, even in areas far removed from the spine and spinal cord itself. Misalignments can also reduce the ability of your body to adapt to its ever-changing environment. Even the slightest malfunction of your spine may alter the regular transmission of nerve impulses, preventing that portion of your body from responding optimally.

Natural health care without drugs or surgery

Chiropractic is a natural form of health care that uses spinal adjustments to correct these misalignments and restore proper function to the nervous system, helping your body to heal naturally. Chiropractic doesn't use drugs or surgery. Rather, a chiropractic spinal adjustment—the application of a precise force to a specific part of the spinal segment—corrects the misalignment, permitting normal nerve transmission and assisting your body to recuperate on its own. ******


So as you can see, subluxation theory (and therefore, "innate intelligence", or "vitalism") is still espoused by the leading chiropractic college.

Anyway, glad you always feel great for a while after an adjustment. If you had any deaf relatives, would you take them to your chiropractor? Because "Improper function of the spine due to slight misalignments—called subluxations—can cause poor health or function, even in areas far removed from the spine and spinal cord itself." Take care,


Ron
:)

Oswald in Mexico City

About seven weeks before the assignation of JFK, on September 27 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald seemingly visited the Cuban and Soviet embassies in an attempt to obtain a visa for travel through Cuba to the Soviet Union. However it seems that it was not the real Lee Harvey Oswald but someone impersonating him. Apparently the CIA had the joint bugged and were photographing people visiting there. The fake acted nuts at the embassy, demanding a visa and ran out shouting he was going to kill JFK. The day the assignation this conversation took place:

"No, that’s one angle that’s very confusing, for this reason—we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald’s name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man’s voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there."

- Hoover to Johnson the morning after the assassination.

Where can one listen to that tape that Hoover is talking about there, the one where the fake Oswald is speaking?

I have looked here and there but I can't find it.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv......sults.do

Sorry I thoght this was the other thread about JFK

Why such a ridiculous mad on for chiropractors?

Dr. Craig Aaron is a chiropractor who worked on the wrestler Diamond Dallas Page after his back got all screwed up. He says to avoid chiropractors called "upper cervical specialists" who use Atlas Orthogonal, Grostic, Blair, or NUCCA techniques. They're the ones who do the "fix everything with a neck crack" stuff.

He says that the certifications to look for are Certified Chiropractic Extremity Practitioners, Certified Chiropractic Sports Practitioners, or Applied Kinesiologists.

Again, I'm not super informed on any of these sub-specializations. I only know that my chiropractor did what a team of physical therapists and two massage therapists couldn't, which was getting me to where I could look over my right shoulder again.

People are unique; what works for one person won't work for another and vice-versa. That's medicine. Learn about your own body. Find out what works when n=1 and n=you.

Chiropractors.

Massage therapists with cool sounding scientific names.