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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
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On 2014-01-30 14:20, FlightRisk wrote: Here is a couple other threads on the subject http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=201 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=201 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=201 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=201 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=201 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=106 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=106 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=41 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=6 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=37 Many are redundant but this is the result of "color monte move" lots of interesting reading if you care to take the time
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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
Years ago there was a sleight published in the Trapdoor, that would work well in place of the Annemann/Crist Alignment Move. I think it was by Billy McDonald or maybe it was Bob, can't remember. But it's not necessary. It's not about the "moves" or the cards ( I know some think by using regular cards it somehow improving the routine. It doesn't ), it's all about the story....
The only thing that would make this routine better, is if it came in jumbo cards.
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seraph127 Special user 587 Posts |
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On 2014-02-13 07:54, mystre71 wrote: To some extent, it is about the moves. As I explained earlier, Marlo had come up with a move sequence ("Quick 3-Way" Ibidem #15), and Bill Elliott submitted "3 Card Monkey Business" to the next issue as away of building a trick on the sequence. As for the cards, perhaps we could split the difference: "Three cards from any reasonably clean deck could be use, though addition of a specially prepared card adds considerably to the final punch."
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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
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On 2014-02-13 17:17, seraph127 wrote: Hi seraph, What I should have said, is to laymen, it's not about the moves (since they shouldn't be thinking about the moves anyway), or the cards. These only matter to magicians. I did pull out Ibidem and checked out Marlo's "Quick 3-Way. It is a nice sleight to be sure. But the item published in the Trapdoor eliminates the use of the Alignment Move all together.
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Poof-Daddy Inner circle Considering Stopping At Exactly 5313 Posts |
It has amazed me for many years that one of the best (at least my favorite) packet effects which works great as-is gets so much attention as to how to make it "better". Nothing wrong with striving for better methods, I personally think on this one - "If it ain't broke, why fix it?"
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mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
Poof, Could have said it better myself
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts |
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On 2014-02-13 20:30, Poof-Daddy wrote: +1 |
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Jay Elite user Northern New Jersey 406 Posts |
While I agree in theory, Poof-Daddy, I also think it's okay for us to tinker with moves and concepts if we are uncomfortable with the steps, but are impressed with the end result. You have to do whatever works for you and for the participant. I have molded my version of Color Monte into something so comfortable for me (and gets such great results) that I don't think I even remember how to perform it using the original instructions.
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MattyWhipple New user Philadelphia, PA 47 Posts |
I love to lead off a table-hopping routine with the Color Monte. I tend to go with the standard routine and handling. I use almost the same patter, but make it a story about being in NYC. I try to move quickly and make it flourish-y. I think it helps add to the character of a NYC Monte dealer, while also showing my audience that I am not kidding around. I know what I'm doing, and you definitely want to see more of it...
Here's my version that I just shot tonight at my desk (I'm a whiskey or two deep, mind you): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lv6t884......a_player |
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MRSharpe Special user Never a dull moment with 940 Posts |
The full name is the Chirst-Annemann Alignment Move if you are ever looking for references that show it.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Mar 2, 2014, MattyWhipple wrote: No insult to you, Matty, your patter and mechanics are fine, but that A/C move just makes no sense to me. If you've got no more cards left in your right hand on the double show, how can you be showing the top card? We would have to believe you still have two cards in your left hand, but there is nothing in that move that simulates that, to my mind. The trick moves along, granted, but I'm just not convinced that the discrepancy gets by.
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MattyWhipple New user Philadelphia, PA 47 Posts |
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On Mar 2, 2014, landmark wrote: Ah, I think see what you mean. You're saying you don't think the AC move looks convincing enough because of the flourishy double, right? I actually felt the same way about it. Then I added the "popping" of the double to reenforce that it's only one (which only worked in the second half in my video, haha). I figured that was enough and have never been called out by a lay person, but I have to admit, I agree with you. I always feel like it must seem fishy. Maybe I should just go back to the classic handling, or work on getting that particular sleight to look more convincing. Thanks for the help!!! |
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
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On Jan 1, 2014, arthur stead wrote: Arthur, you are correct. My script and motivation for the CM "move" will change how you perform it forever. Theatrical Magic is still available in print from some dealers, but you can get it in a printable e-book from www.lybrary.com. |
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts |
After I get the middle card outjogged and the top and bottom card lined up I will keep ahold of the outjogged card in my left hand with my thumb and first finger and pull the other two cards out (as one card) using my right thumb and first (index) finger as I am turning my right hand face up to show the card. "You owe me a dollar". . Works everytime. Never a question and it doesn't look fishy. I thought the original move looked a bit fishy myself. $.02. db
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Dollarbill Inner circle Colorado 1005 Posts |
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On Mar 2, 2014, landmark wrote: That being said (this is meant to be constructive critiisism). I agree with this statement and my $.02 thinks the double spinning on the thumb padding below your thumb looks wayyy un-natural. Yes it is done pretty smooth but...... Also I don't think all of the fancy card spinning is necessary. But Hey! If that's how you roll then run-wit-it! . We're all a little different. . MHM Magicians helping Magicians. |
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Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1604 Posts |
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On Jan 1, 2014, arthur stead wrote: Arthur, there is an entire chapter devoted to the motivation for this move. I believe what I teach in Theatrical magic will change the way you perform this story forever! |
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FelixKraus New user 93 Posts |
The ending of the trick is so strong, I don't know how important it is for all of the moves to look natural. They will be very surprised at the end of it.
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A. Evans Regular user Florida 105 Posts |
It is unnatural but people don't realize it.
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1879 Posts |
The alignment move is "unnatural" to Magicians, but not to the audience if you just "do it."
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jimgerrish Inner circle East Orange, NJ 3209 Posts |
With ultra jumbo cards (8 x 10 and up), there is a better move that appears more natural; just pulling the cards off the side rather than the slide up method. However, it only works with large cards, like the ones Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki uses for his "Go Fish Monte" from his book "Go Fish Card Tricks" at the Magic Nook.
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