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On 2014-01-30 14:20, FlightRisk wrote:
I can't remember which of these is the thread I saw the best help on, but just google with this string:

site:themagiccafe.com color monte

or instead of just "color monte" use "color monte move". You can spend the weekend going through all the posts.


Here is a couple other threads on the subject

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=201

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Many are redundant but this is the result of "color monte move" lots of interesting reading if you care to take the time Smile
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Years ago there was a sleight published in the Trapdoor, that would work well in place of the Annemann/Crist Alignment Move. I think it was by Billy McDonald or maybe it was Bob, can't remember. But it's not necessary. It's not about the "moves" or the cards ( I know some think by using regular cards it somehow improving the routine. It doesn't ), it's all about the story....

The only thing that would make this routine better, is if it came in jumbo cards. Smile
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On 2014-02-13 07:54, mystre71 wrote:
Years ago there was a sleight published in the Trapdoor, that would work well in place of the Annemann/Crist Alignment Move. I think it was by Billy McDonald or maybe it was Bob, can't remember. But it's not necessary. It's not about the "moves" or the cards ( I know some think by using regular cards it somehow improving the routine. It doesn't ), it's all about the story....

The only thing that would make this routine better, is if it came in jumbo cards. Smile


To some extent, it is about the moves. As I explained earlier, Marlo had come up with a move sequence ("Quick 3-Way" Ibidem #15), and Bill Elliott submitted "3 Card Monkey Business" to the next issue as away of building a trick on the sequence. As for the cards, perhaps we could split the difference: "Three cards from any reasonably clean deck could be use, though addition of a specially prepared card adds considerably to the final punch."
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On 2014-02-13 07:54, mystre71 wrote:
Years ago there was a sleight published in the Trapdoor, that would work well in place of the Annemann/Crist Alignment Move. I think it was by Billy McDonald or maybe it was Bob, can't remember. But it's not necessary. It's not about the "moves" or the cards ( I know some think by using regular cards it somehow improving the routine. It doesn't ), it's all about the story....

The only thing that would make this routine better, is if it came in jumbo cards. Smile


To some extent, it is about the moves. As I explained earlier, Marlo had come up with a move sequence ("Quick 3-Way" Ibidem #15), and Bill Elliott submitted "3 Card Monkey Business" to the next issue as away of building a trick on the sequence. As for the cards, perhaps we could split the difference: "Three cards from any reasonably clean deck could be use, though addition of a specially prepared card adds considerably to the final punch."


Hi seraph, What I should have said, is to laymen, it's not about the moves (since they shouldn't be thinking about the moves anyway), or the cards. These only matter to magicians. I did pull out Ibidem and checked out Marlo's "Quick 3-Way. It is a nice sleight to be sure. But the item published in the Trapdoor eliminates the use of the Alignment Move all together.
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It has amazed me for many years that one of the best (at least my favorite) packet effects which works great as-is gets so much attention as to how to make it "better". Nothing wrong with striving for better methods, I personally think on this one - "If it ain't broke, why fix it?" Smile
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Poof, Could have said it better myself Smile
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On 2014-02-13 20:30, Poof-Daddy wrote:
It has amazed me for many years that one of the best (at least my favorite) packet effects which works great as-is gets so much attention as to how to make it "better". Nothing wrong with striving for better methods, I personally think on this one - "If it ain't broke, why fix it?" Smile


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While I agree in theory, Poof-Daddy, I also think it's okay for us to tinker with moves and concepts if we are uncomfortable with the steps, but are impressed with the end result. You have to do whatever works for you and for the participant. I have molded my version of Color Monte into something so comfortable for me (and gets such great results) that I don't think I even remember how to perform it using the original instructions. Smile
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I love to lead off a table-hopping routine with the Color Monte. I tend to go with the standard routine and handling. I use almost the same patter, but make it a story about being in NYC. I try to move quickly and make it flourish-y. I think it helps add to the character of a NYC Monte dealer, while also showing my audience that I am not kidding around. I know what I'm doing, and you definitely want to see more of it... Smile

Here's my version that I just shot tonight at my desk (I'm a whiskey or two deep, mind you):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lv6t884......a_player
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The full name is the Chirst-Annemann Alignment Move if you are ever looking for references that show it.
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On Mar 2, 2014, MattyWhipple wrote:
I love to lead off a table-hopping routine with the Color Monte. I tend to go with the standard routine and handling. I use almost the same patter, but make it a story about being in NYC. I try to move quickly and make it flourish-y. I think it helps add to the character of a NYC Monte dealer, while also showing my audience that I am not kidding around. I know what I'm doing, and you definitely want to see more of it... Smile

Here's my version that I just shot tonight at my desk (I'm a whiskey or two deep, mind you):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lv6t884......a_player

No insult to you, Matty, your patter and mechanics are fine, but that A/C move just makes no sense to me. If you've got no more cards left in your right hand on the double show, how can you be showing the top card? We would have to believe you still have two cards in your left hand, but there is nothing in that move that simulates that, to my mind. The trick moves along, granted, but I'm just not convinced that the discrepancy gets by.
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On Mar 2, 2014, MattyWhipple wrote:
I love to lead off a table-hopping routine with the Color Monte. I tend to go with the standard routine and handling. I use almost the same patter, but make it a story about being in NYC. I try to move quickly and make it flourish-y. I think it helps add to the character of a NYC Monte dealer, while also showing my audience that I am not kidding around. I know what I'm doing, and you definitely want to see more of it... Smile

Here's my version that I just shot tonight at my desk (I'm a whiskey or two deep, mind you):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lv6t884......a_player

No insult to you, Matty, your patter and mechanics are fine, but that A/C move just makes no sense to me. If you've got no more cards left in your right hand on the double show, how can you be showing the top card? We would have to believe you still have two cards in your left hand, but there is nothing in that move that simulates that, to my mind. The trick moves along, granted, but I'm just not convinced that the discrepancy gets by.


Ah, I think see what you mean. You're saying you don't think the AC move looks convincing enough because of the flourishy double, right? I actually felt the same way about it. Then I added the "popping" of the double to reenforce that it's only one (which only worked in the second half in my video, haha). I figured that was enough and have never been called out by a lay person, but I have to admit, I agree with you. I always feel like it must seem fishy. Maybe I should just go back to the classic handling, or work on getting that particular sleight to look more convincing. Thanks for the help!!!
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Does anyone have any issues with the move that shows the middle card? It just seems so odd to me with the injog. Perhaps with the patter and routining, it just flows? Just wondering what others think.

Thanks!


I seem to recall that John Pyka in his book, Theatrical Magic, had a technique which "smoothed out" that moment you're concerned about.

Arthur, you are correct. My script and motivation for the CM "move" will change how you perform it forever. Smile
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After I get the middle card outjogged and the top and bottom card lined up I will keep ahold of the outjogged card in my left hand with my thumb and first finger and pull the other two cards out (as one card) using my right thumb and first (index) finger as I am turning my right hand face up to show the card. "You owe me a dollar". Smile. Works everytime. Never a question and it doesn't look fishy. I thought the original move looked a bit fishy myself. $.02. db
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On Mar 2, 2014, MattyWhipple wrote:
I love to lead off a table-hopping routine with the Color Monte. I tend to go with the standard routine and handling. I use almost the same patter, but make it a story about being in NYC. I try to move quickly and make it flourish-y. I think it helps add to the character of a NYC Monte dealer, while also showing my audience that I am not kidding around. I know what I'm doing, and you definitely want to see more of it... Smile

Here's my version that I just shot tonight at my desk (I'm a whiskey or two deep, mind you):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lv6t884......a_player

No insult to you, Matty, your patter and mechanics are fine, but that A/C move just makes no sense to me. If you've got no more cards left in your right hand on the double show, how can you be showing the top card? We would have to believe you still have two cards in your left hand, but there is nothing in that move that simulates that, to my mind. The trick moves along, granted, but I'm just not convinced that the discrepancy gets by.


That being said (this is meant to be constructive critiisism). I agree with this statement and my $.02 thinks the double spinning on the thumb padding below your thumb looks wayyy un-natural. Yes it is done pretty smooth but...... Also I don't think all of the fancy card spinning is necessary. But Hey! If that's how you roll then run-wit-it! Smile. We're all a little different. Smile. MHM Magicians helping Magicians.
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Does anyone have any issues with the move that shows the middle card? It just seems so odd to me with the injog. Perhaps with the patter and routining, it just flows? Just wondering what others think.

Thanks!


I seem to recall that John Pyka in his book, Theatrical Magic, had a technique which "smoothed out" that moment you're concerned about.


Arthur, there is an entire chapter devoted to the motivation for this move. I believe what I teach in Theatrical magic will change the way you perform this story forever!
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The ending of the trick is so strong, I don't know how important it is for all of the moves to look natural. They will be very surprised at the end of it.
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It is unnatural but people don't realize it.
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The alignment move is "unnatural" to Magicians, but not to the audience if you just "do it."

However, I prefer Paul Wilson's handling.
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With ultra jumbo cards (8 x 10 and up), there is a better move that appears more natural; just pulling the cards off the side rather than the slide up method. However, it only works with large cards, like the ones Wiz Kid Qua-Fiki uses for his "Go Fish Monte" from his book "Go Fish Card Tricks" at the Magic Nook.
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