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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Justin speaks truth - David's book is a gem.
Justin, I'd forgotten about the effect you describe in which half the deck vanishes. Yes, that is similar to what David Blaine does, and predates it by many years.
It's all in the reflexes.
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cricketer15 Loyal user Sydney, Australia 248 Posts |
Nice. Will be looking at getting this within the next week. Spend to much already on cyber Monday and Black Friday of penguin and ellusionist.
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tobajer New user 53 Posts |
Does anyone know if you end up clean and spectators can examine the cards ? That would be real magic, wouldn't it ?
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts |
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On 2013-12-13 01:50, tobajer wrote: You do not end clean. |
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cricketer15 Loyal user Sydney, Australia 248 Posts |
Are there any reviews of this atm?
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Sasasaam New user 35 Posts |
I would be interested in a review as well if anyone has this!!
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts |
I received mine yesterday so have not had a chance to "work" it yet but I have played around with it. It fools me watching it in the mirror. It comes with the gimmick but you will have to customize it. It'll take you about 30 seconds but you only get one shot at it so be sure to do it properly. It doesn't look like you'll be able to change card backs very easily once you've "set" your gimmick. I'm not saying its impossible but it may be worth it to have more than one if your going to use it was different card backs.
The gimmick itself is ingenious and despite being somewhat delicate, should last a long time. They provide some "maintenance" tips to keep it working properly. The DVD is typical Theory 11 with great production values. Zach does a good job of teaching 3 routines. The possibilities are pretty much endless with what you can do withy this gimmick. If you like what you saw in the demo, I believe you are going to enjoy this. |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 12945 Posts |
Hey if the trick was exposed in the video magicians would have nothing to talk about or do!
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sohaib Special user San Ramon, CA 577 Posts |
You can do the same thing impromptu with a borrowed deck
no need for yet another gimmick; with another flashy trailer; with another ridiculous price all that being said, I'm going to buy it! -- I have an addiction to gimmicks and gaffs , it is the Crack of the Magic World |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
Sohaib, yes, as we've discussed previously in this thread, the same basic effect can be achieved with a standard deck. Aaron Fisher's wonderful 'Panic' and 'Widespread' also do a beautiful job in this area.
As an owner of 'Decoy', I will say that it's a very nice gimmick that will allow for some things these other methods do not (setting the deck on a table, or even a spectator's hand, for the diminishing sequence). This would be a great way to do the effect in a close up show. Perhaps combine it with the Paul Harris/Bro Gilbert 'Pack of Lies' to create a multiphase routine (just a thought). And if ever called upon to spontaneously recreate the effect, it could be sufficiently accomplished using the method discussed earlier involving the inflated deck principle. Always nice to have options.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Pasteboard Alchemist Special user 502 Posts |
Now that I've owned "Decoy" for a week or so, I can say with certainty that it's the finest gimmick that I will likely *never* put into actual use. For me, it's too unwieldy to practically use/display in some of the more compelling methods shown in the video.
While I really, really wanted to give this a working shot, it's ultimately too cumbersome to have yet another gimmick I need to transport, protect (aspects of it are very delicate), switch in, and ditch--all for something that I'd rather do impromptu with the inf***ed d**k principle (yes, you can use "Decoy" tabled and/or in the spec's hand, but for me I'd rather forgo that capability and end squeaky-clean.) So, intro the Drawer O' Gimmicks it goes. My inclination to never use it aside, I absolutely love the gimmick itself. It's a work of art. Nay, a work of genius. Most gimmicks I receive, check out, and say "Oh, I get it... it's just X." This gimmick still baffles me. There are still components to how it works that may as well me truly magical to me. I've been on the fence about buying Eoin O'Hare's card trimming jig due to the very high price. But if "Decoy" is an example of the thought and ingenuity he puts into his products, I'm absolutely buying that jig. And thank you to Justin and Illucifer for the tip on Harkey's book! I've been using the inf***ed d**k principle for quite some time, but never read his work on it. While I'm sure it won't be simple to track down a reasonably-priced copy, I aim to do so. |
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
I may end up in the same place with it, Pasteboard Alchemist. Haven't actually road-tested the thing yet.
It's all in the reflexes.
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Pasteboard is spot on. Absolutely genius gimmick. One of the coolest I've played with in 30 years. Unfortunately also one that I doubt will ever see the light of day. Perfect for Youtube or a demo reel but not for real world. It is somewhat delicate but I can live with that. More of an issue is that you have a thickness issue to worry about. So, depending on what you intend to do with it, you have to watch your handling to mask the thickness. Can't say too much. The teaching on the dvd is good. The gimmick is customizable to your deck of choice (one time). The handlings they've included are clever, especially the rising card effect. But at the end of the day, it feels like a project that was put together just because the gimmick existed. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I can't see this being a practical worker.
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VMagical Loyal user 216 Posts |
Agreed with everyone up here! It is a very devious gimmick but would really need to see it in action in front of an audience. I love how visual it is and it is fun to play with.
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
I'm skeptical that you'd pull off the bit with the Aces close up (aforementioned thickness being the culprit). Even in the DVD, it's very apparent.
The most viable routine is that which most closely resembles the routine David Blaine performed using the inflated deck principle on one of his specials and more recently on Jimmy Kimmel Live. This is because it involves a bank of cards and hides the gaff more easily. I think the only way I'd use this is in a close-up show (or on stage with iMag or on television), and I'd only do so after conditioning the audience with a straight deck and ringing in the Decoy. I would set it cleanly on a table or laypeep's hand and do the effect.
It's all in the reflexes.
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Pasteboard Alchemist Special user 502 Posts |
Illucifer, you pinpointed the exact effect I was hoping to achieve--the aces close-up in the spectator's hand. It's simply not viable for me. Note that, even in the video, there's a cut edit in the middle of the simple motion of turning the cards over (which hides the most angle-sensitive, thickness-displaying part of it). In hindsight, that should have been my first clue that the particular effect wouldn't be something practical. Even with that edit, the thickness is still evident in the display on the video (and would be even more from any angle other than dead-on as shown).
I did some additional work on this today by positioning the gimmick at different spots in the stack of aces, various ways to hold them to provide cover during the turn over, spreads/displays that would best hide the thickness, etc... In the end, while I was able to get to a "reasonable" point, it wasn't an "acceptable" point. More than that, though, is my personal thoughts on the psychology behind it: when I do an effect in the spectator's hand, I view it as wildly diminishing (no pun intended!) when said in-the-hand items aren't left post-effect for the spectator to stare at/examine in a state of bewilderment. Take Regeneration by Blake Vogt as an example. If the magician were to immediately take the card away from the spectator upon restoring it, the effect would lose the vast majority of its impact. One could argue that it's the "diminishing" that is the effect, and not the final cards themselves (unlike in the Vogt example.) Said arguer would not be wholly incorrect... but I still don't like it. One of the "best of both worlds" methods I considered was to have a dupe that matches the gimmick in the stack of aces, and then simply cop off the gimmick when turning over the display. The thickness/nature of the gimmick and the fact that doing it in the spectator's hands is begging to have your hands burned like no other is enough for me to write that off as a workable solution (admittedly, I haven't attempted that one--but I won't be.) Illucifer notes that effects which involve a bank of cards are the best for use with the "Decoy" gimmick, as it hides the gimmick. He is absolutely right and, again, it begs the question: why wouldn't I simply use the diminishing deck principle. Speaking of which: this inspired me to try the principle in the spectator's hand last night. Obviously it was not able to be free-standing in the spectator's hand like "Decoy" would be, but the spectator was able to immediately flip over and examine the remaining bank of cards (all the suit of the selected card, in order, with the out-jogged selection in its proper place.) |
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sohaib Special user San Ramon, CA 577 Posts |
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On 2013-12-18 11:02, Illucifer wrote: I agree; you would have to condition the audience with a regular deck |
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sohaib Special user San Ramon, CA 577 Posts |
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On 2013-12-18 11:02, Illucifer wrote: Inflated Deck principle is the way to go After the Blaine special, they were going to release it; they never did for a reason I don't know. so therefore I will release it As for Decoy, I would use it in conjunction with the impromptu routine; switching in the gimmick on the offbeat after they've examined the regular deck |
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S-Branham Elite user Folsom, CA 456 Posts |
Wow! Penguin Magic has it!
http://www.penguinmagic.com/p/3903 Just spent the evening playing with the gimmick...Awesome! ~Steve |
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ricklaxmagic Special user West Bloomfield, Michigan 690 Posts |
Hey Gang! Here are a couple new ideas with the Decoy Deck (found at the end of the video). Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evUI5Slal_c The last one is the least visual...but is also the most practical, and the magic happens at the offbeat, which always is interesting to me. (My friend Justin always likes the magic to be super visual and happen when people are watching...but I always think it's cool when something magical happens before people realize, and then you bring their attention to it...) -Rick |
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