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Terrible Wizard
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I just saw the ellusionist advert for these, and read the Café review, and they look awesome. What are regular ring users opinions on them?
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I really enjoyed the routine and it is a lot more "doable" than I expected it to be.

I still really like a lot of Shoot Ogawa (probably misspelled that) routine, but Mr. Masado's routine has some interesting elements as well. Right now I'm performing sort of an amalgam of the two.

When I first saw Mr. Masado perform the routine up close out at Magic Live I thought, "looks great in his hands but will I be able to do it?" Surprisingly a lot of the moves I really liked are easier to do than I expected. The Masado ring DVD does a really good job teaching what I consider to be some of the best moves in the routine. There are some kind of crazy moves at the end that look kind of nuts, but I wasn't really interested in performing those so I haven't tried to learn them.

I'd say if you are interested, go ahead and give it a shot. The rings are OK (although I still prefer the Shoot Rings), and the DVD does a good job at teaching the routine. With a modicum of practice you should be able to do it.
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Thanks for the feedback, pslaughter - I'm most certainly tempted Smile.

Quick questions:
Do they chip or blemish after use?
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Well, I've practiced quite a bit with the rings that come with the package. So far they look fine. I'm just not a fan of the black rings. I already had a set of the gold Ninja Rings, so I plan to keep using those. If I were you, I'd learn the routine with the rings provided and then look to replace them with a nicer set for performance.
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That's interesting. I assume the black rings were designed to be aesthetically pleasing and carry a sort of a street-cool look, but do you think this fails to work in the real world?
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Do you have an ETA on that, Pete?
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I have both the Messado rings and the gold Ninja rings,and they do feel and act different depending on your performance.

The messado rings have a heavier weight to them that makes his spinning move at the end much easier to accomplish than the ninja rings. The key ring itself isn't the same as the ninjas which makes you strike much more precisely. The quality is good and the weight can help you if you like Mr. Messado's performance. If your into the more faster speed of shoot ogawa, then I would search for a set of ninja rings but for the price and being easily obtained, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get the Messado rings.
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Interesting comparison, thanks digitalyosh.
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Yeah no problem Terrible Wizard, I started getting back into rings and rope magic a bit more and found out that each ring has it's own qualities that are desired for specific performances. Now it's not to say that you can't perform the same routines with both, but the weight behind the Messado rings does make a few more moves that require momentum much easier than the lighter rings you can obtain. I just didn't enjoy the rough edges on the key ring for the Messado's, but I'd imagine you can resolve it by working it sandpaper but it will probably take off the coating. The centrifugal spin is a great move that greatly shows why the rings must be heavier and makes the Ninja Rings almost frustrating to do because it loses the spin very quickly.
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Interesting, though I don't like the sound of rough edges!
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If your good at grinding metal down I believe you can chamfer the rough edges of the messado rings to match the ninja rings. I have both and the ninja rings are much more precise as fare as the strike links and unlinks.
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I had a hard choice between using the Ninja Rings or the Messado rings for my performance next weekend and finally decided on the Ninja rings just for the fact of their lightness and strike connects that feel more smooth. The Centrifugal spin is almost non-existent which made me have to redo part of the performance, but I felt more in control with the Ninja's. Not to knock the Messado rings, they are still very good for what they are and the weight does help factor in with a few moves that are only possible with heavier rings (I shouldn't say "ONLY" however, it's much easier to achieve).
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On 2013-12-21 08:13, Digitalyosh wrote:
I had a hard choice between using the Ninja Rings or the Messado rings for my performance next weekend and finally decided on the Ninja rings just for the fact of their lightness and strike connects that feel more smooth. The Centrifugal spin is almost non-existent which made me have to redo part of the performance, but I felt more in control with the Ninja's. Not to knock the Messado rings, they are still very good for what they are and the weight does help factor in with a few moves that are only possible with heavier rings (I shouldn't say "ONLY" however, it's much easier to achieve).


If anybody is good with working with metal (which I am not) you could chamfer the straight sharp edges down to the way they are on the ninja rings and you will have the best of both world. The smooth linking quality of the ninja rings and the perfect weight of the messado rings for the flashy airel moves.

Im sure if you brought your ninja key ring and messado key ring to a metal worker that he or she could grind down the sharp edges of the messado rings to exactly match that of the ninja key ring. You would then have a devastating weapon. A hybrid beast of a set of rings.
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But why are there rough edges? you are paying for a product so it should be good. or was it a fluke?
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On 2013-12-22 18:25, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
But why are there rough edges? you are paying for a product so it should be good. or was it a fluke?


Oh no not at all. The Messado rings are great. Practically seamless. Look and sound wonderful. The only thing is that the cut in the key is a straight cut. While the cut on the ninja rings after having been straight cut each edge was chamfered or tapered if you will to make the linking smoother.
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The edges aren't really rough per say. Just straight and not tapered.
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Yeah, sorry for saying its rough. The edges do feel different and you need to adjust to how it feels around the finger compared to the Ninja Rings.
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Thanks for clearing up.
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I agree that there's something about this routine that feels more "doable" than you'd think. I, too, saw them performed at MAGIC Live, and picked up a set on the spot!
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