Report here the same quesion from another subforum: Which is the best book/ dvd that describes with details how to vanish and produce the coins. I already have Bobo's book, Downs Modern Coin Magic and The art of Magic of J.N. Hilliard. Bobo's book snd Holliard book describe a slight different method. There is a description directly from T.N.Downs, how was not able to find it in Downs book about coins. It seems to be one of his latest methods.
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I'd go with the Henry Hay description of the Eureka routine.

I agree with JT here…Check Henry Hay.

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Al Schneider On Coins.

I don't recall much on the Downs palm in Al Schneider's book.

Henry Hay is the one to source.

Sorry to be that guy - but doesn't Hay's method use the edge palm, not the Down's palm?

IIRC the hand which effects the coin vanishes does a transfer from clip to DP en transit to the hand which holds the fan of coins.
As bobthemagician pointed out the hand holding the fan also secretly moves incoming coins from fingertips to edge palm.
A peer in high school used to do that stuff very well. I gave up on that stuff back in high school and settled for fingerpalm and EG.

Going off memory but I believe in the description of the Eureka Pass it uses Downs Edge (Oblique) palm. Elsewhere in the book the Downs palm is taught and applied. That in addition to the descriptions of author's boyhood visit with T. Nelson Downs make it worth tracking down.

Jeff Mc Bride world class manipulation 1 is not bad

Hay is the place for accurate Down's material, and in my opinion, offers the very best written/pictured classic coin material. Where Bobo is usually vague and opaque, Hay's teaching is concise, exact and often is accompanied with explaining what you are doing in good context as to why you are doing it.

Eureka Pass uses Down's "Edge Palm" combined with good backpalming in the opposite hand, but Hay does show good photos of what we today call the "Down's Palm" (Oblique Palm) in the early coin chapter- Down's Edge Palm and Down's Palm are two completely different things. The first is related closely to Classic Palm, the latter the grandpap of EG.

Eureka Pass is the earliest coin application I've read of Sylvester's more recent psychological twist of masking the passage of a coin going one direction as another coin changes hands in plain sight in the opposite direction. This is beautiful, seldom discussed material, and among the best routines ever created using coins out of your pocket with no gaffes or gimmicks. It imparts all the impact of the Miser's Dream barehanded with no bucket, but is best suited for the stage, as it can't really be performed surrounded. (It's mind blowing to a single viewer, however.) The only video I've ever seen it done with any skill is in the Miser Dream DVDs by Levent- which I also highly recommend.