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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
All of the above...plus:
Focus, by Phil Goldstein (Max Maven) Cheers! Doug |
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mbkorn New user Jupiter, FL 66 Posts |
After you are adept at basic card sleights, you can earn a living from this one book alone--
The Commercial Magic of J.C. Wagner! If you have this book and have not reviewed the material recently, do so. I guarantee that you will be AMAZED at the--as the book's title implies--commercial card (and coin magic!) included. Everything a working performer could ask for, and more. |
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richiehess New user UK 12 Posts |
What about AoA
by paul Harris |
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MrBiddle Loyal user 239 Posts |
The selfworking card books of Bob Longe
Problem with those tricks is that the require a lot, if not some memorization to them.
I would, however contest that there is in REALITY very little pportunity to perform what could actually be termed "close-up" magic.
- Guy Hollingworth |
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thecardman Loyal user Scotland 218 Posts |
Truthteller
While I agree completely about how good Carney's "Book Of Secrets" is - and it is stunning!!! - I would not put it down as one for someone only just learning sleights. My advice to whomever may be reading this would be go and get the Royal Road or Card College (I am a pre-Card College person, so still tell people to buy Royal Road) and learn the stuff in there. After you have read that book and got some more grounding through other books, then go and read Carney's "Book Of Secrets". Let me put it this way - if you even think about thinking about taking your magic seriously, you MUST read John Carney's "Book Of Secrets". It will help your magic in a phenominal way and will make you think! It is THAT good.
My new manuscript, "The Difficult Second Album", is now available at www.thecardman.co.uk
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truthteller Inner circle 2584 Posts |
Peter,
I have an issue with "just learning sleights." I had two students come to me and ask I teach them technique. THey wanted to use the skills to create original magic. Sadly, their work was horrible. Why? If you wanted to learn to write wonderful stories in a language, would you begin my JUST learning words and their definitions? You could try, but you would end up creating nonsense no matter how creative your visions were. Magic, like language, has a syntax and I think that learning your sleights in CONTEXT of usage gets the students further down the path. This is part of what makes card college so wonderful. Sleights are well taught but the examples are very fine. You learn magic as well as technique. And, lets face it, shouldn't that be our end goal anyway? Secrets is also good for the same reason. Some sleights are taught (and very practicle ones at that) yet it is the thinking which is shared that is invaluable. I think the student would be better served with 6 practical sleights which they UNDERSTAND how to use as opposed to dozens which they really don;t know what job that tool serves best. |
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MikeJRogers Veteran user Australia 354 Posts |
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all the replies. It sure has turned into an interesting topic. I myself have never really been heavily into cards even though I've been doing magic since I was about four or five. I know the basic sleights, a handful of effects from DVD's and I've also created a few original effects. However I thought I should begin my card magic library and start learning it FOR REAL. So far I'm really enjoying it. This is why I started the topic and WOW have you guys helped me out or what. Thanks everyone! Thanks again for all your help, Mike.
Mike Rogers Illusion Design - Australia - http://www.mikerogers.com.au
"Nothings impossible, the impossible just takes longer" - Dan Brown novel - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
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gerard1973 Special user Michigan, U.S.A. 688 Posts |
MikeJRogers:
I know that it's been a year since your last post but here are some more Card Magic books you might want to take a look at when you have finished the ones you now have: Card Magic of LePaul - Paul LePaul Classic Magic of Larry Jennings by Mike Maxwell Darwin Ortiz at the Card Table - Darwin Ortiz The Vernon Chronicles - Dai Vernon The Inner Card Trilogy - Dai Vernon The Card Magic of Nick Trost - Nick Trost Close-Up Card Magic by Harry Lorayne Simple Yet Effective Tricks with Cards - Jerry Mentzer Cunning Card Miracles - Jerry Mentzer The Ron Bauer Private Studies Series Gerard
"Confusion is not magic."
Dai Vernon |
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Magicmaven Inner circle 1235 Posts |
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On 2004-01-02 03:34, truthteller wrote: Carney's book, Secrets, is not a good starting point for a magician. It is a good midway point. That book is much more about the philosophy of magic, and the magic in there is a little more advanced. In my opinion, the begginer needs to collect as many tricks, and slights as possible( so mainly study Royal Road, or Expert Card Technique, or Bobo, for coins) and then look at the philosophy of magic, and what you are trying to acomplish in each trick... Please tell me if you think this is incorrect, as it will help me improve. IMO I have just recently started looking through "Stars Of Magic" and will say that that book has some really stong, hard-hitting magic, again, maybe not for the novice, but once you have looked through Expert Card Technique for a while (I used this, or Royal Road, you will have no problem with SoM, unless you read something incorrectly (that would be me.)
rmaxgoodwin.com
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Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1226 Posts |
What about some Paul Gordon material?
A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper. |
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card123 Loyal user Button moon 208 Posts |
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On 2004-01-02 17:16, thecardman wrote: Hey 'thecardman' First let me say your coin work is "off the hook".Do you work with cards? But I would have to disagree with you on 'stars of magic‘. The thing is it is a very old book. The photos are dodgy and the tricks are old and much more modern tricks have been created since. Its still a good book because dai vermin wrote it but there is much better material out there. Plus on a DVD you get to see the magician do the stuff so its much easier to learn from. I mean , we haven’t got time to do all the reading in this day and age. My advice is to pick up these products. I have them and its money well spent. Especially if you , like I , am into 'Hit and run' magic. Here is a DVD on how to pick up women with magic by jay sankey http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=930 Here is the 'Encyclopaedia of Egg magic' http://www.tirofoginc.com/THE%20ENCYCLOP......AGIC.htm And also the 'sponge eggs (not sponge balls) to go with the above http://www.tirofoginc.com/THEEGG.htm These and a pack of Tigers and you ready to hit the streets doing 'street magic' and 'psychological illusion'. Hope this helps someone. |
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sjdavison Inner circle Surrey, UK 1379 Posts |
Card123, I have to assume you're joking (like your post on the Black Tiger decks, which I thought was very very funny, but now I'm not sure it was a joke..)
Many tricks are reworkings of old tricks - they should not be disregarded so quickly, and just because it is an 'old book', does not mean it should be thrown away - (13 steps? Royal Road?) Dai Vermin? Please tell me that was a typing mistake. And please do not right off books - they are still the best tool to learn from - there is normally so much more information in there, and you do not pick up the performing style of the performer, so it inspires more thinking and presentational originality. (And I think you will find 'in this day and age', people still have time to read - at least those who take it seriously) And Tiger deck, and the other products, to do 'psychological illusion'? What does that mean? If this is still a joke, I apologise for not getting it! Simon |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2005-06-28 09:48, card123 wrote:... But I would have to disagree with you on 'stars of magic‘. The thing is it is a very old book. The photos are dodgy and the tricks are old and much more modern tricks have been created since... I have heard that the recent reprints have not done justice to the photos. Aside from that, the material is as good as it was almost a hundred years ago. I would suggest this book to a serious student. Have there been refinements to the routines in the last fifty years? Of course. Is the material in the book obsolete? Hardly! If you want to entertain a lay audience, you have a trove of proven material there.
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sjdavison Inner circle Surrey, UK 1379 Posts |
I totally agree that DVD's/videos can be an excellent tool for learning magic, as they give you a easy to follow, real time demonstration of what your hands should be doing. I love DVD's, and have many (Richard Osterlind's/Banacheks are some of my best purchases!). The only thing I dislike about the video format, is it is too easy to copy the performer's style exactly, rather than develop one's own presentation - we see too many 'Blaine-clones' these days.
I just feel that you should not write off books so early, they are a key to the STUDY of magic, not just the quick 'learn a trick perform it tonight' ethos that seems too popular. Apologies for confusing you, the 13 steps is a bible of mentalism, similar in that vein to the Royal Road. Your comment about an original DVD confused me - surely you cannot condone picking up a pirate copy? Although I know you have, with your copy of the Devil's Picturebook. Simon |
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card123 Loyal user Button moon 208 Posts |
sjdavison,
The thing is it is really difficult to create your own style. When you buy a DVD you also get the rights to copy there tricks , presentation , dress sense e.t.c I get what your saying about the whole 'study' thing and am starting to agree. 13 steps is a mentalism book..ok, didn't know that..for a second I thought my hip replacement was in trouble. I will check it out. Let me make this clear I don’t condone a pirate copy...in fact hooks, wooden legs and eye patches have no place in magic...of course this is just my opinion. I am still not sure if the Derren brown thing is a copy. I will give him a ring to see if he does speak fluent Japanese and if he doesn't then I think it will be a fake. Does anyone have his number so I can send him a quick text message? |
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sjdavison Inner circle Surrey, UK 1379 Posts |
Yes, I agree that it is difficult to do that when starting out - that is why reading, rather than watching and imitating, will elad you to your personal style - from paper, you perform the effect as YOU want to perform it
This reminds me of people who read a book, and then see the film - they often say that seeing the film ruins the image they had in their head of what everything looks like. As it is with reading/watching the same effect - use your own imagination to create the effect. Simon |
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