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There was a time when I was "between homes" that I was living on Wonder Bread and ketchup packets.

We used to call those "nothing sandwiches."


Waddaya want for nothin? Rubber biscuit?
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There was a time when I was "between homes" that I was living on Wonder Bread and ketchup packets.

We used to call those "nothing sandwiches."


Waddaya want for nothin? Rubber biscuit?


LOL!
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I never really bought the whole "Its more expensive to eat healthy" line.

http://www.obesitymyths.com/myth5.7.htm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/heal......018070/1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-katz......608.html

There are plenty of inexpensive healthy foods out there.
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I never really bought the whole "Its more expensive to eat healthy" line.

http://www.obesitymyths.com/myth5.7.htm

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/heal......018070/1

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-katz......608.html

There are plenty of inexpensive healthy foods out there.


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Their suggestion of taxes on unhealthy foods with subsidies for "healthy foods" is awful. Healthy foods are not more expensive than unhealthy foods if you pick the right ones.
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We the elite can afford to eat well and as the herd is too large, we have decided to give you cheap fast food and free heart attacts. You know it makes sense.



Its a consumer driven market. People like sugar,fat and salt so that is why those unhealthy products are there. There is no conspiracy against the poor. If people want the food market to change, show some discipline and stop buying awful foods and they will go away.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51468913/#.UqSMwI2No6E
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I don't think it is a conspiracy against the poor. As I stated earlier, economy often drives people to stretch meals. The easiest and most common way to do that is with starches and many types of processed foods that most should agree are not the healthiest choices.

It is a consumer driven market, but the consumer is lured into the snare, usually from a very early age. I remember once being in a grocery store, and saw a woman making decisions on baby/toddler foods (Gerber, etc.). The kid was in the shopping cart looking at the opposite side of the aisle... where all the sugar-laden breakfast cereal was displayed like an 8 foot high by 30 foot long section of a comic book... cartoon faces, bright colors. I thought to myself what a brilliant bit of long-term marketing that was.
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With all due respect what is "healthy" is constantly changing.

Some obvious things to avoid but why the false choice of pay now or pay more later? Where is that written in stone?
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We the elite can afford to eat well and as the herd is too large, we have decided to give you cheap fast food and free heart attacts. You know it makes sense.


I would hope you were trying to be sarcastically humorous and don't really mean what you say. It sounds like something that Scrooge would say in the movie "A Christmas Carol." It makes sense as it "controls the surplus population." I liked how the ghost of Christmas Present took him to some of the families he talked about in this manner and after seeing those families as human beings much like himself turned around and used Scrooge's own words against him after his ignorance was dispelled about the "surplus population." Actually, when I think about it, I have seen some people who think like Scrooge here in real life in the real world, today. I guess, that's why the book "A Christmas Carol" is good art in that it reveals truth in it's own way.
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Their suggestion of taxes on unhealthy foods with subsidies for "healthy foods" is awful. Healthy foods are not more expensive than unhealthy foods if you pick the right ones.


According to analysts who checked prices in 10 developed countries, it is more expensive to buy healthy foods. Across those countries, the average cost is $550 per person per year (thus, the family of four costs more than $2000 per year).

Are you saying that the researchers who analyzed prices in 10 countries are wrong? If so, on what are you basing this conclusion?
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To a large extent, healthier foods are fresher and less processed. This also means that they are often more perishable. The loss on perishable foods, especially when they must be shipped from points of origin to the ultimate consumers can be high. Price must reflect that loss.
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To a large extent, healthier foods are fresher and less processed. This also means that they are often more perishable. The loss on perishable foods, especially when they must be shipped from points of origin to the ultimate consumers can be high. Price must reflect that loss.


Yup I agree. If you honestly want to eat more healthier and you want to live a healthy life, then you are going to have to be prepared to pay more money up front. I can't see how their is an escape from that. Probably a way to make it easier to pay for healthier food is to do what another poster in this thread suggested, economizing in other parts of your budget to free up more funds for spending on healthier food. It is my opinion the investment is worth it though. You can spend money on whole wheat bread for example, which is not always expensive, but what you really need is 15 or 12 grain bread, which is whole wheat as well, and whole grain. But it is also more expensive bread. I like organic fat free milk and think it tastes better than regular skim milk. However, you will pay more for organic fat free milk then you will for regular skim milk.
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If you're fortunate to live in an area where you have lots of farmers markets, I think
the costs would be below, or on a par, with normal supermarket prices. They are round here.
Hence, from my thinking, this sits more with city dwellers than anything else.
Though I'm probably wrong. I'll await somebody to upload a graph of urban, suburban, and country
grocery prices.
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People ought to grow more of their own.
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People ought to grow more of their own.


Well the time it takes to till a garden, properly plant the seeds, maintain the garden through weeding it, keeping insects off the vegetables, entails an opportunity costs. Such time could be used to make money elsewhere if you simply bought the more expensive healthy foods rather than grow it on your own. So, even though it's cheaper to grow your own, you pay for the cheaper cost by losing out on other opportunities because of the time that will be required to grow your own food.
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Yes. I have grown substantial gardens and I'm not sure the cost for what you get is much better than buying the same things in a store. You also have to waste NOTHING. This usually requires the ability to can and/or freeze some of what comes on. If you've ever had more than a couple tomato plants, you'll know what it like to be faced with buckets of tomatoes all coming on in a couple weeks' time.

Plus, the time spent can be considerable. At a time in our past when people grew and raised much of what they ate, few of those same people spent half the day away from home working another job. You do however, have more control over your food regarding pesticides, etc. That fact alone should equate to healthier food.

I am though, an advocate for doing things like this and visiting farmers' markets, roadside vegetable stands, etc. whenever I can. Not only do I believe the food to be healthier, to me, it also tastes better.

There is one downside to this that affects some people more than others, and that is the local growing season. Some parts of the country (or world) can grow almost year round. Other places have a defined growing season. Around here, one would have to be able to raise a HUGE garden to supply enough food to last through winter.

For anyone interested in what I consider a really great book, check out Carla Emery's Encyclopedia of Country Living (originally called An Old-Fashioned Recipe Book). It pretty much teaches anything you'd want to know about general homesteading from raising a garden and raising animals for food and dairy, to giving birth and caring for your dead.

I got an early incarnation of her book sometime in the early 1980's. I found it both useful and enlightening. Years later, and with the internet at my disposal, I corresponded with her for a period of time. I found her to be interesting, although she seemed to have somewhat odd thoughts regarding people who do magic. Ha!

I actually just found out on a quick search that she died several years ago.
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I heard someone recently say they had just been to "Whole Paycheck Market".

When I gave a quizzical look, she said, "I meant, 'Whole Foods Market' ".

BTW, if quizzes are quizzical, what are tests? Smile
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I heard someone recently say they had just been to "Whole Paycheck Market".

When I gave a quizzical look, she said, "I meant, 'Whole Foods Market' ".



Stores like this are not so concerned with budget-mined people. They are generally located near well-to-do neighborhoods. There is a slightly elitist air about the stores that exploits their desire to market to wealthier people. Their prices generally reflect that, too. In fairness, they often stock better items, and things you cannot get anywhere else. So, this might mean that the average grocery bill would be typically higher.

I have shopped at Whole Foods Market when living in Birmingham... enjoyed it immensely, but found them a bit pricey for my everyday budget. There is a Fresh Market here in Peoria, which is kind of similar.

For the budget-minded folks, there is Wal Mart, Aldi, etc.
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Their suggestion of taxes on unhealthy foods with subsidies for "healthy foods" is awful. Healthy foods are not more expensive than unhealthy foods if you pick the right ones.


According to analysts who checked prices in 10 developed countries, it is more expensive to buy healthy foods. Across those countries, the average cost is $550 per person per year (thus, the family of four costs more than $2000 per year).





Are you saying that the researchers who analyzed prices in 10 countries are wrong? If so, on what are you basing this conclusion?




Other studies have come to the opposite conclusion (at least in the US). What foods they decided are "healthy" could skew the cost one way or another. From personal experience my food bill has gone down the healthier I eat but then again I don't eat meat so that cuts my costs down significantly. It does not cost much at all to eat healthy if you pick the right foods and avoid the some of the high cost items like milk, meat, fancy 12 grain breads (hell you can live entirely without any grains in your diet).


Here's a USDA report

http://www.he.k-state.edu/fnp/program-ma......port.pdf


Even with their report it's 1.50 a day more to eat healthy. Cut out the fish and meat that was expected with the diet and it would be even less.


People choose to eat unhealthy there is no reason to tax unhealthy food to offset the price difference. Let people pick their own poison.
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There's a comparison chart on what you can buy with 20 dollars and less with junk food vs "healthy" food.

https://www.sparkpeople.com/blog/blog.as......ermarket
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