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$1.50/day * 365 days/year = $547.50/year.

So now you agree with the researchers, Shirtlesskirk?
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On 2013-12-08 20:16, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
$1.50/day * 365 days/year = $547.50/year.

So now you agree with the researchers, Shirtlesskirk?





I don't, and even if I did 547.50 a year is not much even for the poor. Plus you cut out the luxery healthy items (meat, fish, milk) and the price would be lower.
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On 2013-12-08 20:16, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
$1.50/day * 365 days/year = $547.50/year.

So now you agree with the researchers, Shirtlesskirk?





I don't, and even if I did 547.50 a year is not much even for the poor. Plus you cut out the luxery healthy items (meat, fish, milk) and the price would be lower.


So let me get this straight: when you said:

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I never really bought the whole "Its more expensive to eat healthy" line.


You really meant that the poor should be willing to do without "luxery" items like "mean, fish, milk" and presumably, fresh fruit and vegetables.

So, it's not more expensive to eat healthily than not, so long as you define meat, fish, milk and so on as luxury items, not nutritious foods. Is that what you are saying?
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Meat, fish and milk are luxury items? In what universe? Many feel they are essential to a healthy diet, and they are certainly essential to mine.

Sounds a bit like the infamous "Let them eat cake" to me.
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Meat, fish and milk are luxury items? In what universe? Many feel they are essential to a healthy diet, and they are certainly essential to mine.

Sounds a bit like the infamous "Let them eat cake" to me.



If you cant afford them and you don't need them (you don't) they are a luxury. I consume little milk no meat or fish and I get more protein than the average person. They are not in any way shape or form essential. Those who believe they are absolutely essential are for health are living a lie.

Eat what you can afford, the government does not need to tax or subsidize any more food (which was their solution to the price difference) just to offset costs. Let consumers and the market determine what the prices should be, socialism will not suddenly make people eat healthier.

I eat healthy and I don't spend a fortune to do so. And honestly if your that poor that you can't feed your family healthy meals you shouldn't have started a family in the first place.
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Meat, fish and milk are luxury items? In what universe? Many feel they are essential to a healthy diet, and they are certainly essential to mine.

Sounds a bit like the infamous "Let them eat cake" to me.



If you stopped eating them your health would not suffer in any way (probably would improve).
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Hard for me to imagine meat as a luxury.
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It's amazing the contortions you'll see. To preserve a political ideology (markets good; government bad) some people are prepared to say that nutritious food for the poor, including children is a "luxury".

Selling your soul for an empty political ideal.
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It's amazing the contortions you'll see. To preserve a political ideology (markets good; government bad) some people are prepared to say that nutritious food for the poor, including children is a "luxury".

Selling your soul for an empty political ideal.


Danny seems to think I am a Marxist because I believe the top 1% of the wealthy should pay more than what they currently pay in taxes. Of course, I am not a Marxist and a real Marxist would know I am not a Marxist. From reading some of your past posts, you sound like you might really be a Marxist. Are you a Marxist? A Marxist is somebody who believes in the complete abolition of private property and that the means of production are commonly owned by society. The Marxist ideology believes that private property ownership should be gotten rid of because it is the means to which people are eventually enslaved. However, I certainly believe in private property ownership and I certainly don't believe in a planned economy either like many Marxists do. But I do think the top 1% should pay higher taxes than what they currently pay. I wonder if Danny knows this, but real Marxists also would politically despise somebody like me who describe themselves as liberal.
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What could have possibly brought that out?

So without sound bites and talking points tell me how much the rich currently pay and how much they should be paying.

John yet again we find ourselves in agreement.
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What could have possibly brought that out?

So without sound bites and talking points tell me how much the rich currently pay and how much they should be paying.

John yet again we find ourselves in agreement.


I was just kinda remembering our past discussions is all Danny when I saw you post next to somebody who genuinely sounds like he might be a communist, though he very well could not be a communist.
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It's amazing the contortions you'll see. To preserve a political ideology (markets good; government bad) some people are prepared to say that nutritious food for the poor, including children is a "luxury".

Selling your soul for an empty political ideal.


Danny seems to think I am a Marxist because I believe the top 1% of the wealthy should pay more than what they currently pay in taxes. Of course, I am not a Marxist and a real Marxist would know I am not a Marxist. From reading some of your past posts, you sound like you might really be a Marxist. Are you a Marxist? A Marxist is somebody who believes in the complete abolition of private property and that the means of production are commonly owned by society. The Marxist ideology believes that private property ownership should be gotten rid of because it is the means to which people are eventually enslaved. However, I certainly believe in private property ownership and I certainly don't believe in a planned economy either like many Marxists do. But I do think the top 1% should pay higher taxes than what they currently pay. I wonder if Danny knows this, but real Marxists also would politically despise somebody like me who describe themselves as liberal.

Hmm... I guess I would describe myself politically as a Marxist among other things; and you're right, I sure don't think you're a Marxist.
OTOH, I sure don't despise you for your political opinions. I just disagree with them sometimes. Smile
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Label much?
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On 2013-12-08 23:53, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
It's amazing the contortions you'll see. To preserve a political ideology (markets good; government bad) some people are prepared to say that nutritious food for the poor, including children is a "luxury".

Selling your soul for an empty political ideal.

Well, I'm going to go out on a limb here, and defend Shirtless. (But really, I thought you weren't allowed into the Café unless you had on a shirt and shoes, and bathing suits are strictly forbidden, okay?) I think the statement about meat had more to do about his vegan philosophy than his political one. Shirtless IIRC is a vegan body builder and athlete who eats lots of protein every day and is very conscious about his diet. He would argue that if people were well-educated nutritionally, they would understand that meat is not healthy, nor necessary for the human diet, and in that sense is a luxury for those who are seeking to optimize nutritional health at a minimum cost.

Personally, I think he's basically right, though I think there are some body chemistries that may do better with some meat. I don't agree with his politics, but that's another matter IMO.
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By the way General you seem to be confusing Marxism with Communism.
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Meat, fish and milk are luxury items? In what universe? Many feel they are essential to a healthy diet, and they are certainly essential to mine.

Sounds a bit like the infamous "Let them eat cake" to me.


:applause: Mine too. I feel the key to what you eat and how much you eat should be dependent on your daily activities, ie. if you exercise etc... and one key word "moderation".

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Interesting that someone thinks I am "living a lie" because I don't agree that meat, fish and milk are"luxury items." There are appropriate comments that could be made, but since they violate Café rules I will refrain from making them.
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Interesting that someone thinks I am "living a lie" because I don't agree that meat, fish and milk are"luxury items." There are appropriate comments that could be made, but since they violate Café rules I will refrain from making them.






I don't particularly agree with the Café rules so feel free to make whatever comments you wish. If you can show that meat is 100% essential to a healthy diet and that there would be consequences to your health if it were eliminated from it then I am wrong (of course vegetarians living longer than meat eaters must be a complete coincidence). Eating meat is a dietary choice and not essential, you won't die or waste away if deprived of it (and if you think you will yes you are living a lie). It is non essential (and costly) so yes it is a luxury.
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Whatever. I know plenty of vegans who encountered extremely serious health issues. Body builders too. But that's cool- I'll live my lies and you can live yours.

Just don't force them on the poor.
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The Dalai Lama certainly feels that meat is necessary for his health:
http://samvidbeauty.com/2013/02/a-lesson......-eating/
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