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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"Please don't sit there and tell me that alcohol is more dangerous that heroin or cocaine or crack."
No one is saying that. We are saying that alcohol is more dangerous than pot. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Me learned pot head friends ought to get back on track.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"The issue before this court is, what are the international repercussions of Uruguay legalizing marijuana?"
no, the question which you ignored was whether you believe that alcohol distorts reality? Which seems to be the basis of your contention that grass should remain illegal. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-12-17 14:52, acesover wrote: If all you've got left is making fun of someone's name, there's really no point in trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. You might also actually READ the article and learn that it is based on several studies with multiple authors. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-12-17 14:51, mastermindreader wrote: To quote from the article you quoted. Here is an excerpt: "A study published in 2010 in the medical journal Lancet ranked alcohol as the most harmful drug of all, above heroin, crack, meth, cocaine and tobacco. Even more striking: The Lancet study found that harms to others near the user were more than double those of the second most harmful drug, heroin." Your article not mine. You back this according to your post. Ergo while neither is good according to this theory (article) it is better to be a heroin addict that an alcoholic. To which you seem to agree. Well...to each his own.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"A study published in 2010 in the medical journal Lancet ranked alcohol as the most harmful drug of all, above heroin, crack, meth, cocaine and tobacco."
you misread that report: "A variety of social, physical and psychological problems that are caused by drugs were examined by a panel of experts, who concluded that alcohol, heroin and crack were the most harmful to others while heroin, crack cocaine and methamphetamine were the most harmful to individual users. |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
Dr. Petros Levounis, director of the Addiction Institute of New York at St. Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital, agreed with the study findings.
"Both in terms of the medical consequences as well as societal consequences, I agree that alcohol ranks very high in overall harmfulness,"he told the News. "Alcohol has tremendous repercussions in our society in terms of drunk driving and societal consequences.” Twenty drugs were scored on 16 criteria – nine related to the harms that a particular drug does to an individual and seven to the harms a drug does to others. All the drugs were scored out of 100 points, and overall, alcohol came in the highest, at 72 points, according to The Lancet. Heroin came in second with 55 points and crack cocaine took third place with 54 points. While cocaine and tobacco were found to be equally harmful, LSD and ecstasy were found to be the least harmful, according to BBC.com. Funding for the study came from the Centre for Crime and Justice Studies in London. The report in the Lancet was co-authored by Professor David Nutt, Britain's former chief drug policy advisor, who stirred up controversy last year when he wrote an article that said riding a horse was more dangerous than taking ecstasy, CNN reported. Almost 17.6 million adults in the United States either are alcoholics or have alcohol problems, according to the National Institutes of Health. |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
Btw, it is estimated that there are about 350,000 heroin addicts in the use. There are 17.6 MILLION folk who are addicted to alcohol.
I'd say that makes it much more dangerous. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Anyone willing to try pot is willing try another. Particularly one which they think causes no harm but gives some pleasant felling or other. The powers that be will no doubt supply such in the future, now they have their approval to do so. New “harmless” recreational drugs, which are essentially stuff which distorts reality, are being created every day.
Mr. Busy Mr. Chatterbox Mr. Clumsy Mr. Dizzy Mr. Funny Mr. Fussy Mr. Grumpy Mr. Happy Mr. Impossible Mr. Jelly Mr Pot Head Pills and so on. Can they do that with Alcohol? No! I think not. They could add these new designer drugs to it. So that is a powerful control you have put into the hands of powers that be. Just as Huxley pointed out you would years ago. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TQZ-2iMUR0 You think of course, no! We have only approved of them giving us pot, but that is what you think, you dopes.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
In the meantime just for the Beatles fans:
The Beatles 'responsible for recreational drug use increase' The Beatles were responsible for a worldwide increase in recreational drug use which continues to harm young people, Russia's top anti-narcotics official has claimed. Yevgeny Bryun told a press conference in Moscow that the consequences of the Fab Four's propaganda in the 1960s were still being felt. "After The Beatles went to expand their consciousness in India ashrams, they introduced that idea – the changing of one's psychic state of mind using drugs – to the population," he said. "When business understood that you could trade on that – on pleasure and goods associated with pleasure – that's probably where it all began." Mr Bryun said tough measures were needed to combat mass culture and advertising which promoted drug use today. The Beatles experimented with various narcotics and Sir Paul McCartney admitted in 2004 that much of their music was "informed" by drugs. He said the song "Got To Get You Into My Life" was "about pot" while "Day Tripper" was about acid. "Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds" famously referred to LSD. Beatles music was banned as an iniquitous western intrusion in the Soviet Union, when the state record manufacturer Melodiya said "musicians such as these, who have plunged to the depth of musical decline, do not deserve a place on Soviet records". However, Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, is a fan of the group and met Sir Paul when he performed "Back in the USSR" and other tunes on Red Square in 2003. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/music......ase.html Who is “business”? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oBo8CJxatQ
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-12-17 15:36, Slide wrote: I did not misread anything. Did you read what I posted from the article?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-12-17 15:40, Slide wrote: The only reason for the high scores of alcohol is because of the sheer amount of use. Heroine and cocaine are much worse per individual. Also they are the choice of pushers to addict addicts.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
There is no business like show business.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-12-17 15:43, Slide wrote: I'd say you are wrong. I would say alcoholism is more prevalent. However it does not make it more dangerous. Just as I said before, a cold is more prevalent than cancer...which would you rather have a cold or cancer?
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
Cold or Cancer? Now that's a good comparison. Really, I like that.
Tom
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2013-12-17 14:58, acesover wrote: If that's what you think I said, all I can say is: Have another drink. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2013-12-17 16:55, mastermindreader wrote: Who is buying? You referenced the article to make a point. However it now seem that you are going to cherry pick what you want from the article and not go along with the whole article. Is that about right? In for a penny in for a hundred you either believe what this guy says or you don't. Can't have it both ways.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"which would you rather have a cold or cancer?"
Problem is both alcohol and heroin are cancers. You seem to think that alcoholism isn't a problem. It is a HUGE problem, much more of a problem than heroin. How many people are killed each year from drunken driving. How you can compare alcoholism to having a cold is beyond me. And just to let you know, many heroin addicts live long lives. Not that I'd recommend it. |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"Can they do that with Alcohol? No! I think not. "
you must be high then. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
The sad but true fact is that alcohol is the international #1 killer. That's not cherry-picking, its just a fact.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/216328.php |
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