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Bazinga
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Maybe this will help you guys get your contest to a faster conclusion.

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Bazinga!
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Nobody is measuring. Some are pontificating. The same is blowing wind as usual.

Keep not using agents. It is working for you and I am pretty certain none have gone out of business for lack of your availability. It works for everyone.
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Bazinga,

I need a larger one posted!

Thank you.
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On 2013-12-27 00:28, magicofCurtis wrote:
Bazinga,

I need a larger one posted!

Thank you.


:giggles:
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On 2013-12-26 23:33, Dannydoyle wrote:
Nobody is measuring. Some are pontificating. The same is blowing wind as usual.

Thanks for missing the point.
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Keep not using agents. It is working for you and I am pretty certain none have gone out of business for lack of your availability. It works for everyone.

A moot point - however I know a few that went out of business - they crashed and burned just as several entertainers I have known.

I find it funny how "all" agents would most likely never admit that they lost income because they had a falling out with an act. And I also find it funny how most agents blame the act - even when "they" booked it if something goes wrong.

Like the time I was booked to do close up and it said close up in my contract and I arrived and the client said they booked a stage show. And it would be the acts fault if they did not deliver a stage show. The act has to deal with whatever venue - or performing conditions that they get when they arrive at a gig.

The agent doesn't.

The act also has to deal with the client and deal with whatever performing situation problems there are before and after the show.

In my opinion the act has a "harder" job to do than any agent. Lugging equipment from location to location is a lot harder than working the phone or a mailing list.

My opinion.

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On 2013-12-27 00:28, magicofCurtis wrote:
Bazinga,

I need a larger one posted!

Thank you.


So the rumors are true? !!!!!!
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Oh lord Glenn. Yes you out several agencies out of business by not working with them.
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On 2013-12-27 00:28, magicofCurtis wrote:
Bazinga,

I need a larger one posted!

Thank you.

As my grandad would say: I need my hip boots. It's getting deep now. Smile

Bazinga!
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On 2013-12-27 00:28, magicofCurtis wrote:
Bazinga,

I need a larger one posted!

Thank you.

As my grandad would say: I need my hip boots. It's getting deep now. Smile

Bazinga!


But I was not joking. lol
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On 2013-12-27 12:38, magicofCurtis wrote:
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On 2013-12-27 11:52, Bazinga wrote:
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On 2013-12-27 00:28, magicofCurtis wrote:
Bazinga,

I need a larger one posted!

Thank you.

As my grandad would say: I need my hip boots. It's getting deep now. Smile

Bazinga!


But I was not joking. lol

So there's more than 1 magician here believing his own hype, eh? Smile
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Oh I see what you did there.
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I guess many people in this thread missed the point about how the act (if they are good) can get along without an agent. Because they can book themselves. And agents "need" acts because if they do not have an act they have no one to book. Therefor they would not be able to satisfy clients and most likely crash and burn because they have no one to book. I would say the same for an agent that books substandard acts.

However it is a bit different for the performer/agent. This person has an act (one or more) and books themselves and other acts. I have a close friend that is a hypnotist and he has booked me for shows for years. The nice thing about the performer/agent is that because they "are" working as a performer they "know" what it is like and how to book. And the venue situation and performing situations are less of a problem because they work gigs like the performers they book.

Most of the performer/agents got into the agent part of the business because they were very good at booing themselves and they had more business than they can do. So they started to book performers to take care of their overflow. And the agent side grew and they became an agent/performer.

This is the kind of agent I still book shows with. The agent/performer - the magic world could use a few more good one's in in the magic world.
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I agree with much of what you just said, and in many ways this was the basis for me when I first stared my original agency years ago.

I agree that being self-represented is the absolute best, most profitable and most in-control way to operate as a performer, part-time or full-time. No one knows you and your act better than you, no one knows the direction of your business better than you, no one knows your likes and dislikes better than you, no one understands your business plan and strategies better than you, and no one will likely work harder for you and have a more personal interest in you and your business than you, yourself.

However, the fact remains that many entertainers are either A.) poor to terrible in the learning, understanding and application of the business side of their operation, and B.) simply do not want to put the time, effort or investment into becoming skilled and proficient in the business and booking part of their business. This has always been so amazing yet disappointing to me. As stated recently in another thread, they will spend hundreds to thousands of dollars on the latest tricks, effects, and other things for their performance, but will not invest in themselves and their business to become properly educated, skilled and fluent to master the art of booking, positioning, branding, marketing and overall entertainment business (which is much different from conventional business). It just amazes me. In today's world of coaching, consulting and mentors, not to mention books, courses, and programs, it is now more easily accessible and easier to learn, tailored specifically for your business than ever before. It still amazes me why this still exists, but it does, commonly and consistently. This is why agents and agencies still exist and often thrive.

When I first started my original agency, the one thing I had heard over and over again, was that the acts I booked loved the fact that I too was an entertainer and operated from both the entertainers' and the clients' points of view and perspectives. I knew, cared and understood what was important to the entertainers, more than many agents. Agencies at the time overlooked or could care less about this. I founded and ran the company based on the my needs and interests as entertainers, while accommodating the interests and needs from my clients.

This further more continued when I first opened my celebrity agency a few years later. For most of you that know my story, I had originally booked two well-known celebrities from one of t.v.'s most popular shows at the time. They immediately acknowledged and said the very same thing, that working for me and my agency was unlike any other they had previously worked for. I had and did things differently that were more artist-friendly and of the direct interest and concern to the artist. It was not only noticeable to them but it stood out and they were quite impressed. So much so, that they went back to the set on the following Monday and told their fellow cast members about this great new agent that was fantastic to work with, that did things differently to serve the artist, and what a pleasure it was to work with him. Within ten hours, by the end of the day, I had received calls from more than 50 celebrities from this show and other shows on the same network, asking me to represent them. It was wild, a thrill, and the beginning to my celebrity agency which immediately took off.

It so funny, because many of the very same issues that occur and are discussed around here are the very same issues that occur and are of concern to other entertainers and artists even on the higher levels of entertainment.
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I think everyone here has a story of being mistreated by an agent. So, they get a bad rap. My experience has led me to a similar attitude as bishthemagish has about agents. Agents have screwed up a high percentage of my gigs. To be fair, I’m not perfect either, but no one cares about my business and reputation like I do.

I guess you could put part of the blame on me. Maybe I don’t communicate with agents properly. That’s possible. But I do seem to communicate quite well with my clients. So, like bishthemagish I will continue to book myself.

However, I won’t close the door on working with agents. In fact I’ve been working for one agent for almost 20 years! Perhaps this is a cocky attitude but I think agents should seek ME out. I have very high standards when it comes to customer satisfaction and I think a smart agent would seek out the best people to work for them.

In a job interview I think the person seeking a job should be interviewing the employer. Mr. Employer, “Tell me why I should spend my all my energy and experience helping your company become successful.” In other words, I’m definitely going to make your company more successful, tell me why I should help your company and another. Maybe the world doesn’t work like that, but don’t you think an employer would be totally impressed with an attitude like that?

I know this is a bit off the subject, but I think it relates.
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Many that complain the most have either never worked with agents or only had limited experience. They also seem to be kids or family performers which is also because these markets are not typically agency markets due to limited margins and the buying habits and perceptions of the public. Kids parties are typically planned by formerly going to the yellow pages, today online or by a referral. They are often booked under $500 which leaves little or no room for agents. So therefore agents usually are not interested much (there are some exceptions) in this type of performer for this type of market. They know their business, plain and simple. That doesn't make agents bad, just because they may not be interested in you or the markets you serve.

This is really aproached backwards. Creating your act for your desired markets then trying to solicit it to agents. In reality if you have an interest in working with agents you should begin by working in the markets they serve.
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Thanks for posting in this thread mindpro.

You added a lot of good info.

Cheers!
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