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David Klass Inner circle Beckenham, England 1205 Posts |
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On 2013-12-19 03:41, Craig Petty wrote: Craig, this looks great but it's a bit weird that only now do you ask to see Second Sight. The comparison was made over a month ago. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=289&36 WPR 180 |
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Christopher Williams Inner circle Portsmouth, UK 4464 Posts |
I have never seen Second Sight, however it does remind me of a trick that I am pretty sure on the Get Nyman DVDs by Andy Nyman. I am probably wrong and I am sure it is a different method, but it certainly looks very close to what is achieved with the deck Andy uses
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts |
I will wait for those two funny British guys at Wizard Product Review to review this trick before I think about buying it.
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Harry the magic man Loyal user Spokane, Washington 270 Posts |
I plan on buying this. Everything Craig brings out that I have I use every day. I am just curious how this would compare to Brainwave in the mind of the spectator? Your thoughts are appreciated.
Harry
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daffydoug Eternal Order Look mom! I've got 14077 Posts |
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The description reads as if the effect plays super "cleanly" and straight forward. This may be true. But will a demo video hide the dirty work? But doubts creep into my mind, and for good reason. First, I have to ask myself "Has the holy grail in this type of effect actually been found?" My mind says yes, but my heart says no. Reason? Well, years ago I purchased "New Wave Prediction". Any body remember that effect? It's a good effect, and I still use it. Same genre. (Thought of card is the only red card in the blue deck. Card is only thought of. Not revealed till it is turned over. ) However, the actual effect as it is performed and the DESCRIPTION of the effect in the ads are two different animals! The ad conveniently left out any mention of the procedure that occurs in order to accomplish the effect. The ad made it sound super clean, and in fact it's not nearly as straight forward or as clean as we are led to believe. Still a good effect, Don't get me wrong. But just not as clean as the ad copy. So I'm naturally leery about "Red". I need to hear some reviews.
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insight Inner circle 3095 Posts |
I also PMed Craig a while back about Second Sight---but I have not yet heard back a response. My concern was that RED is simply Second Sight.
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Daren Inner circle 2051 Posts |
Have took the plunge and ordered, looking forward to receiving this
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 1849 Posts |
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On 2013-12-19 12:44, daffydoug wrote: Being that the deck is gimmicked any demo video would hide the dirty work unless directly exposing the gimmick.
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Sasasaam New user 35 Posts |
I don't own Second Sight, so I can't be positive, but if I remember correctly, second sight requires the spectator to NAME the card aloud, whereas "RED" does not.
Whether or not the methods are different doesn't even interest me so much — if Second Sight was designed to be named aloud, and RED was designed to be thought of, any difference in routining (as opposed to method) is important to me, and honestly, having the card be thought of is so much more powerful in the spectators mind, that same method or not, I would opt to get RED. Now, I don't know if they are or aren't the same method. Honestly, I'm completely stumped by RED. But, if they are the same method, and Craig doesn't give credit to Ron Wilson in the DVD, then that would be a little disappointing to me, considering so many people pointed out the similarities. |
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2012multimagic Loyal user 241 Posts |
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On 2013-12-19 04:55, IAIN wrote: lol.. yup definatly !!.. ill be the first too walk around with tail between my legs !!.. ha ha
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SUAREZ New user 16 Posts |
ON WPR Craig always berates single deck tricks, but as stated on another thread...it may be ok for single deck tricks if they are a workers like Brainwave, So craig uses Brainwave,Red,Unwritten etc etc.. Craig should practice what he preaches ... otherwise he is just a fraud..also only trick in 3 years .. what about Omni Pen ..?, ithink I will stick with alakazam they appear to have less double standards.
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Jeremie Leroi Regular user Paris, France 116 Posts |
Omnipen has never been advertised as Craig's. Don't see any double standard here...
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Bande Elite user 429 Posts |
I fear this will fall on deaf ears, but would really appreciate a break from the personal and ad hominum attacks. Craig, who I have never met but seem like a perfectly nice person, is selling a magic trick. If you like the magic trick you should buy it, if not you shouldn't. A discussion as to whether YOU would want to carry a special deck or not for an effect is reasonable and interesting (I personally don't like these effects as a hobbyist because I usually only do tricks with borrowed decks) -- what Craig does or doesn't do, says he does or doesn't do has no bearing on the trick. I suppose if you truly dislike the manner he represents himself you might refrain from supporting him by not purchasing his effects (I feel that way about a particular vendor that sells here [not Craig] -- I love the tricks but dislike the persona I see so refuse to purchase from him).If it really bothers you, sending a private note to the man seems much more preferrable and has a chance of getting a better response than posting here.
FWIW I rarely post these thoughts and instead send PMs to the people involved, but the lack of civility on TMC seems to be growing and I wanted to at least be one voice that asks us, as a community, to stop it. There are a lot of serious issues in the world to get exorcised about, this is a hobby for some and a profession for others but in the grand scheme of things not terribly important. With this holiday season upon us, let's try to remember and focus on the joy magic brings to all of us and leave the vitrol behind. Thanks for listening and Happy Holidays! |
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magic_tony Loyal user 277 Posts |
How the spectator is asked to think of the card is not shown, but at one point Craig says 'you had a choice of pictures and numbers...' which obviously signals some kind of equivoque limiting their choice of card (perhaps down to just a few different ones), but for me, that is all fine since if played well the spectator should genuinely have the feeling of a free choice.
I think as long as after replacing the spectators 'half' of the cards back onto the deck there isn't the need for any extraneous cutting/rearranging of the deck, then this should play quite cleanly. But since in the blurb it states 'You don’t know their card until the RED card is turned over' I suspect there will be some kind of manipulation required. Again, if this is the case it could be well covered by some inventive patter, but logically there wouldn't be any reason for it. |
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Frank Yuen Elite user 454 Posts |
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On 2013-12-20 10:04, magic_tony wrote: It would seem so but it is also very common to have a group of people jointly select a card (ie. someone selects blacks or reds, the next hearts or diamonds, the next pictures or numbers and so on). It's a technique often used to ensure everyone watching that there is no way that there could be any kind of collusion. So who knows? |
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SUAREZ New user 16 Posts |
I could not agree more about the personal and ad hominum attacks, and normally I would be sorry, but it does not seem to bother Craig on the WPR when he rips into a tricks that require a a seperate deck, so why is he releasing something that he most weeks would review badly for that reason,i have no problem with single deck tricks and most of the tricks that Craig has released are good so I imagine RED is also, my problem is how single deck tricks can be berated on WPR and then it appears that it is ok for WMS to release something that is within this bracket and expect not to have the same reaction to this as they would give
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magic_tony Loyal user 277 Posts |
I also don't think it's fair to launch any 'personal' attacks on Craig since he appears to be a nice guy. However, making references to what he says on the WPR regarding 1 deck tricks should be fine.
For example in WPR #148 he reviews Voyeur by Romanos. He harshly critisizes the fact it is a one trick deck for an effect that can be approximated by a simple card force. Well, the exact same thing can be said about RED. In both cases the effect is not as clean if a simple force is used, but the overall impression of the trick could be the same in the spectators mind, especially if appropriate verbal cueing is used during the trick. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
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On 2013-12-19 03:41, Craig Petty wrote: Hiya Craig, Glad the nipper is on the mend. On more trivial matters, Ron Wilson's "Second Sight" sounds identical to "Red". Isn't it worth checking? Particularly given that this is well over 30 years old.... I thought you were a bookworm? Kind regards, Tom PS Did you really never hear of Ron Wilson? |
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peterger New user Belgium 91 Posts |
@bande - I could not phrase it better....excellent point here.
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NYCJoePitt Special user 558 Posts |
I applaud @Bande for your posting as well. Not that it will stop any of you, but I think it is just plain silly to start ripping apart either a creator or an effect before you have purchased it and performed it yourself. Your opinion is just hot air until you have a stake in the game.
It's probably fair to critique the trailer itself. And I realize that many people don't care for Craig or his reviewing style, but be honest and just state that. I happen to enjoy his show. Even though I've never purchased any or his effects, most of them have had very favorable reviews. I'll wait until "real" reviews start coming out before I decide if I'm interested in this effect or not. |
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