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To confirm, though, the 12 outs is not without a pocket index, correct?

Regards,
Mike

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Yup!
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On 2014-01-03 08:52, insight wrote:
12 outs?

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I am grateful for the Magic Café because when I viewed the the video ad, I was ready to buy, but after seeing the reviews of magicians who have clarified only 4 outs for closeup, I have reconsidered purchasing. This is why this forum is great!
Well, "only 4 outs for close up" is inaccurate. Way Out XII is an improvement to the original Way Out principle combined with a pocket index so that it may cleanly be used for close up and make 12 outs a reality.

One nice outcome from the seemingly now corrected mix up of video demos is that Marc Oberon has discovered the degree of interest in what seemed an obscure handling for stage or parlor using the old gimmick from the book. The advances of the new gimmick may indeed make a close-up handling of this 12 from one sheet a possibility. Given the creativity of folks here, I'm sure someone would have worked it out quite quickly. THAT is one of the true and lasting benefits of The Café, when the collection of minds and sharing advances the art of magic rather than tearing at it, something which even I am guilty of at times.

The possibilities which Way Out XII present are staggering to me and I'm excited to see what the creative folks here develop out of it. It's as if someone came up with a TT which could hold 4 items rather than just one, and then said, "Here, what can you do with this?"


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I guess this will still be ok as this combined with my Miller Miracle wallet will give me 16 outs which should be more than enough.

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Watch how soon it happens!

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On 2014-01-03 15:42, insight wrote:
To confirm, though, the 12 outs is not without a pocket index, correct?

Regards,
Mike

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On 2014-01-03 15:26, Tom Cutts wrote:
Yup!
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On 2014-01-03 08:52, insight wrote:
12 outs?

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On 2014-01-03 08:11, Tom Cutts wrote:
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On 2014-01-02 18:01, targetintellect wrote:
I am grateful for the Magic Café because when I viewed the the video ad, I was ready to buy, but after seeing the reviews of magicians who have clarified only 4 outs for closeup, I have reconsidered purchasing. This is why this forum is great!
Well, "only 4 outs for close up" is inaccurate. Way Out XII is an improvement to the original Way Out principle combined with a pocket index so that it may cleanly be used for close up and make 12 outs a reality.

One nice outcome from the seemingly now corrected mix up of video demos is that Marc Oberon has discovered the degree of interest in what seemed an obscure handling for stage or parlor using the old gimmick from the book. The advances of the new gimmick may indeed make a close-up handling of this 12 from one sheet a possibility. Given the creativity of folks here, I'm sure someone would have worked it out quite quickly. THAT is one of the true and lasting benefits of The Café, when the collection of minds and sharing advances the art of magic rather than tearing at it, something which even I am guilty of at times.

The possibilities which Way Out XII present are staggering to me and I'm excited to see what the creative folks here develop out of it. It's as if someone came up with a TT which could hold 4 items rather than just one, and then said, "Here, what can you do with this?"



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If you only read one post in this thread, make sure it is this one:

I came across Way Out XII through a thread I noticed downstairs. I was curious and decided to pick up the book. This was well before this thread kicked off and I hadn't seen the ensuing controversy.

I bought the book from Marc directly and noticed from the payment details that he was located quite close to me. I'd never met or talked with Marc before and didn't know anything about him at all.

I was down South over the holidays and got back recently. As I didn't see my book in the mail when I got home, I decided that I'd be something of an imposition and picked up the phone and called the number I got with my order. I figured since I was local, I might be able to pick it up.

Marc answered and we had a very pleasant chat. He was extremely courteous and thoughtful, and had sent my book off when he had returned from a stint on a cruise ship. I couldn't fault him for that at all. He was so amiable that we chatted for about twenty minutes and then he invited me around. As I've just moved to the UK and know very few people, I was happy to accept his invitation and was soon at his house.

Now, in the days between ordering his book and dropping in on him, I saw and read this thread. I was curious to see what the lay of the land really was.

I personally am satisfied with the advertising claims made. Can you have 12 outs on one sheet of paper? Yeah. The method is shown in his book, and, with some double-sided tape, three of the 4 out papers can be made into one 12 out piece. If you get some butcher paper, you can use this as a template and reproduce the entire thing on a single sheet. Was the video showing Marc revealing the 12 star signs edited and therefore misleading? Nope. If you want, you can see him showing the process to me:

http://youtu.be/Gk464l9-Gz4

As I understand it, Marc used the 12 out sheet referenced in his book in close up and stage gigs. But, as a creator, he constantly reworked and tinkered with ideas in an effort to ensure that the approach used was ideal for every situation. The single sheet approach is somewhat angle sensitive and requires a degree of audience management. This isn't a serious drawback, a lot of stuff is like that. You've just got to choose your moments and perform when conditions are ideal. Lots of guys would have left it there, but Marc kept working. He wanted something that allowed you to do this without worrying about angles, and he found a nice way to let you do that. He employed a switch.

Now, I have a handful of toes. I am not the most dexterous person and was somewhat concerned at this point. I voiced this to Marc and challenged him to make a switch that wasn't obvious. I knew he'd be doing it, he knew he'd be doing it, he knew I knew he knew he'd be doing it. You get the point. He asked me to think of a star sign and popped his "prediction" into his jacket pocket. Here is the video of the switch:

http://youtu.be/biEXrIhhwuQ

Did you see that? Yeah, I didn't either. It is very, very clean.

Honestly - the piece of kit he showed me was excellent and made the whole switch pretty easy. I'd be perfectly happy doing this close up and am not at all put off by the fact that I'm not sweating over a single 12 out sheet.

The point is that BOTH options are there - you can have it both ways. A single sheet or a switch. It's up to you.

In my opinion, Marc is offering a very nice package here and has thought through everything very thoroughly - right down to a pen that will not bleed through the sheets that he sends off with the kits. I know that not everyone had the opportunity that I had to sit down with him (gatecrash really) and see him work with this in front of you, but trust me when I say that he isn't a villain out to deceive or mislead anyone. He's just a nice guy that has an excellent idea with tremendous versatility - so much, in fact, that communicating a few of the finer points caused some aspects of what is on offer to become confused and muddled along the way.

And if anyone is inclined to dismiss my perspective, please take a moment and remember that I'm not just another performer/creator who is just backscratching or hyping something for a friend. Marc and I are definitely not friends, and though he was entirely friendly, he'd never heard of me at all - he didn't think he had anything to gain by going over the finer points of his product with me. I only met him today, and I paid full price for his book. I don't have a dog in this fight at all. It is my honest opinion that the package he's put together for Way Out XII is entirely excellent, lovingly and thoughtfully prepared, and I can see it acting as a foundation for numerous routines moving forward.

I hope the above helps to clarify a few of the points that were still kicking around here, and that the videos go some way toward addressing any lingering doubts.

Best,

Atlas
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Thanks for the post, atlas...

definitely very interested in the newer version...
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Thanks for the post Atlas that puts things into perspective. Unfortunately I'm guessing the switcheroo isn't covered in the book. I got the book because those apparently in the know said that the new version was simply the same as the book but with the papers already made up. As everyone was sold out of the new version I figured I'd just get the book. Knowing what I know now I'd have probably held out for the new version. That said, 16 outs in my wallet should be more than enough.

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Does not look as good as the demo video. Paper seems too thick to me, even straight ahead it does not seem like 1 piece of paper and the way the paper is opened seems odd. Great post, Marc seems like a great guy and he is an amazing performer. I think this prop best fits for stage performing. Just one guys opinion.
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Excellent post Atlas.

I had been on the fence about this one but your post clears up any lingering questions I had about Way Out XII.

It speaks volumes when a creator is willing to stand by their product and step up to address any concerns in this manner.

Thanks Marc, job well done.

Best wishes,
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I think for 12 outs you are pushing it close up, the 4 out version does not look too bad. I'm pretty sure this is going to serve my needs.

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Thanks for your feedback gents! I appreciate every perspective and opinion. I thought I'd follow up and share my thoughts since my last post.

Well, I've been playing with this for a few days now, and I'm extremely pleased with it.

It is a genuine step forward and will uncomplicate an awful lot for mentalists. If you have Way Out and go back and look at Corinda and Annemann, you'll have so much more freedom in how you perform. It would blend perfectly with many book tests - I know and have plans for exactly how I'll use it.

I still think PIN is the best chair test I've ever used, but you can use Way Out to make an extremely solid backup or parlor piece with complete freedom of choice and a lot of room for funny byplay with the participants and audience members. Another way I've considered using this is in an extremely clean multivoque routine. I'm happy to discuss more ideas and specifics downstairs.

But anyone who is looking at this just for a star sign routine is missing the bigger picture. It is much more than that. It is so versatile.

I saw Marc use this in a routine where he asked someone to name a two digit number, both digits different and both even. It was excellent and later on, when the participant recounted what had happened, he related that he could have chosen ANY two digit number. That's the impression that he came away with. It was a very strong piece of mentalism, and that was just one application.

Way Out is simple and compelling, and I have no doubt that it will be widely employed in the years to come by pretty much everyone. It just makes so much sense.

Best,

Atlas
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I bought Way Out XII expecting to be able to do 12 outs without a switch. The switch and switching device are very nice but I seldom, if ever, wear a sport coat. I have no easy way to switch. Therefore it's of little use to me. I thought I was buying, from the video, a way to do 12 outs with no switch.

I'm not happy with my purchase. I've spent a lot of money and didn't get what I expected. How typical of magic products. Over hype...Under deliver.

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Just seen this on Wizard Product review and it is a great idea but for one thing. It is obvious to me that on this presentation most of the time the piece of paper is going back into the pocket and then pulled out again to reveal the prediction. Even when practiced to perform this effect smoothly, it will not eliminate the exchange of papers in the front pocket. You could of course produce the paper from you inside pocket but then I think this would defeat the whole object of the effect.

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Do you really have to lick you're fingers every time you pull the paper out?
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Do you really have to lick you're fingers every time you pull the paper out?


With good audience management you could probably get the spectator to do it for you.
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Do you really have to lick you're fingers every time you pull the paper out?


With good audience management you could probably get the spectator to do it for you.


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Just seen this on Wizard Product review and it is a great idea but for one thing. It is obvious to me that on this presentation most of the time the piece of paper is going back into the pocket and then pulled out again to reveal the prediction. Even when practiced to perform this effect smoothly, it will not eliminate the exchange of papers in the front pocket. You could of course produce the paper from you inside pocket but then I think this would defeat the whole object of the effect.

Chris Wild

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For those not comfortable with a switch using the pocket a Himber wallet will give you 8 outs pretty cleanly. Two Himber wallets in the same pocket (unless you are lucky enough to find a miller miracle wallet) will give you 16 outs in a fairly clean manner. Take out the Himber, show the paper then put the Himber back in the pocket, people are unlikely to suspect you have a ton of wallets. That said 8 outs from a single Himber should give plenty of scope to make this worthwhile.

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There are other great ways to switch - numerous different types of envelopes spring to mind.

Don't be put off by the need to switch, this method can achieve a lot. When I get a chance, I'll post something downstairs.

Best,

Atlas
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Check out a Review: Wizard Product Review 8/1/2014:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zdSNRuaF8g

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Watched the WPR last night. I am not a regular viewer but the 'Red' debacle had peaked my interest to tune in. Pretty glad I did as I got to see Marc dem this effect. I was very impressed and ordered immediately which I never normally do. I can see this working really well for me. It was fairly evident after watching him repeat it over and over that there was a switch but provided I can get it down as smooth as he does with a single viewing and good audience management this will kill...I hope.

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