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What I know of rehab (Which is rather extensive personally.) yes I figured he would need quite bit of medical intervention and steroids make sense.
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Silva had to know he'd test positive so it seems that he fought other reasons, probably the payday and to prove to himself that he could return from such a catastrophic injury.
Diaz also probably knew he'd get caught.

Both seem to have valid reasons for doing what they did but they face suspension anyway.

Tony's suggestion that the UFC should face reality sounds best. Otherwise it's a continuing cycle of lose/lose situations.
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Silva had to know he'd test positive so it seems that he fought other reasons, probably the payday and to prove to himself that he could return from such a catastrophic injury.
Diaz also probably knew he'd get caught.

Both seem to have valid reasons for doing what they did but they face suspension anyway.

Tony's suggestion that the UFC should face reality sounds best. Otherwise it's a continuing cycle of lose/lose situations.

Except he hasn't proven anything because he di it with Steroids.
Barry Bonds, Mark Mcguire, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, and now Anderson Silva.
Now that he joins this list of disgraced cheats, will he be punished as the others have been?
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I'm waiting for the investigation to be complete. If he cheated then I'm very disappointed because he is one of my favorites
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Silva had to know he'd test positive so it seems that he fought other reasons, probably the payday and to prove to himself that he could return from such a catastrophic injury.
Diaz also probably knew he'd get caught.

Both seem to have valid reasons for doing what they did but they face suspension anyway.

Tony's suggestion that the UFC should face reality sounds best. Otherwise it's a continuing cycle of lose/lose situations.

Except he hasn't proven anything because he di it with Steroids.
Barry Bonds, Mark Mcguire, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, and now Anderson Silva.
Now that he joins this list of disgraced cheats, will he be punished as the others have been?

As a matter of pure fact, Ben Johnson competed against five other juiced-up athletes and two drug free ones. One of the drug free ones medalled. So Ben did not have an unfair advantage.
Lance Armstrong competed in an event where everyone else was on the same drugs as himself. Where was his unfair advantage?
I can't comment on Mark McGuire, except to say that if you believe baseball is drug free you are living in the nineteenth century.
Some of us don't see these people as cheats.
What if Silva's positive test came as a result of the drugs he was given to recover from what should have been a career-ending injury? Is he still a cheat? We need to refine our thinking on this.
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Silva had to know he'd test positive so it seems that he fought other reasons, probably the payday and to prove to himself that he could return from such a catastrophic injury.
Diaz also probably knew he'd get caught.

Both seem to have valid reasons for doing what they did but they face suspension anyway.

Tony's suggestion that the UFC should face reality sounds best. Otherwise it's a continuing cycle of lose/lose situations.

Except he hasn't proven anything because he di it with Steroids.
Barry Bonds, Mark Mcguire, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, and now Anderson Silva.
Now that he joins this list of disgraced cheats, will he be punished as the others have been?

As a matter of pure fact, Ben Johnson competed against five other juiced-up athletes and two drug free ones. One of the drug free ones medalled. So Ben did not have an unfair advantage.
Lance Armstrong competed in an event where everyone else was on the same drugs as himself. Where was his unfair advantage?
I can't comment on Mark McGuire, except to say that if you believe baseball is drug free you are living in the nineteenth century.
Some of us don't see these people as cheats.
What if Silva's positive test came as a result of the drugs he was given to recover from what should have been a career-ending injury? Is he still a cheat? We need to refine our thinking on this.

Doping to enhance performance/recovery/physique or for any reason, is illegal. It doesn't matter if one or all the others are doing it.
Armstrong has no victories, Bonds and Mcguire have no records nor are they in the hall of fame. We can argue for months about these guys but its old news.
My question is, will Dana White protect UFC's legitimacy and take action against doping?
Or is it a Professional Wrestling mentality wear everyone's raging on roids and its ok.
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If Dana does anything that hurts business I will eat my computer. He has spent a ton of money to be legit. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Good point.
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I have no idea what he should or shouldn't do.
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Doping to enhance performance/recovery/physique or for any reason, is illegal. It doesn't matter if one or all the others are doing it.
Armstrong has no victories, Bonds and Mcguire have no records nor are they in the hall of fame. We can argue for months about these guys but its old news.
My question is, will Dana White protect UFC's legitimacy and take action against doping?
Or is it a Professional Wrestling mentality wear everyone's raging on roids and its ok.

Dana White will take action, simply because he is a money-mad promoter who has sunk a fortune into the sport, and he will not let that get tainted. He is running things far better than boxing is being ran.

I know Armstrong, Johnson, etc, are old news, but it is an interesting thing to ponder. Can we, as sports fans, push for a change in attitudes and rules? Or are people happy with the current situation, where drugs are illegal, and cheating is the norm?
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Silva had to know he'd test positive so it seems that he fought other reasons, probably the payday and to prove to himself that he could return from such a catastrophic injury.
Diaz also probably knew he'd get caught.

Both seem to have valid reasons for doing what they did but they face suspension anyway.

Tony's suggestion that the UFC should face reality sounds best. Otherwise it's a continuing cycle of lose/lose situations.

Except he hasn't proven anything because he di it with Steroids.
Barry Bonds, Mark Mcguire, Ben Johnson, Lance Armstrong, and now Anderson Silva.
Now that he joins this list of disgraced cheats, will he be punished as the others have been?

As a matter of pure fact, Ben Johnson competed against five other juiced-up athletes and two drug free ones. One of the drug free ones medalled. So Ben did not have an unfair advantage.
Lance Armstrong competed in an event where everyone else was on the same drugs as himself. Where was his unfair advantage?
I can't comment on Mark McGuire, except to say that if you believe baseball is drug free you are living in the nineteenth century.
Some of us don't see these people as cheats.
What if Silva's positive test came as a result of the drugs he was given to recover from what should have been a career-ending injury? Is he still a cheat? We need to refine our thinking on this.

Doping to enhance performance/recovery/physique or for any reason, is illegal. It doesn't matter if one or all the others are doing it.
Armstrong has no victories, Bonds and Mcguire have no records nor are they in the hall of fame. We can argue for months about these guys but its old news.
My question is, will Dana White protect UFC's legitimacy and take action against doping?
Or is it a Professional Wrestling mentality wear everyone's raging on roids and its ok.



He's not in the Hall of Fame, and you can give him an asterisk if you want, but Bonds is the all-time home run leader. Both he and Mcguire are in the record books.
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Running things better than boxing?

Understate much? Absolutely!

Money mad? Yea probably that as well. Would be tough to argue that.
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That's right Lobo, forgot about the astroidisk.
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Good thing nobody yelled out "Anderson Silva" http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dana-white-......mma.html
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I saw Chapel Sonnen running his mouth about it. The irony of that is palpable
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Chapel Sonnen? What happened?
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Auto correct happened Smile
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I still don't get it. I was being sincere.
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Any one know if the fight result has been overturned yet?
http://www.mmamania.com/2015/2/6/7992549......-ufc-183
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Well Cesar Gracie seems to think it should be overturned. This again his guy was in violation as well and the thought process seems to be that it wasn't as bad an infraction.
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