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On Feb 7, 2015, Dannydoyle wrote:
I just like to clarify you are not speaking of facts or studies but simply opinions and that is ok. I don't think it is bad and don't necessarily even disagree I just wonder about how you phrase things.

Obviously I phrased things clumsily, as I thought it was clear I was offering an opinion. My apologies over the confusion.

I would love to see the issue debated more widely.
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Well with you being a writer I usually don't xpect you to so clumsily phrase things. This is indeed where all the confusion lies.
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GSP's long time coach speaks out.

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/235......-octagon
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Well, Silva failed a second drug test so I guess it's pretty clear he did the drugs. So disappointed Smile
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If they really want to get rid of steroids they should stop the suspensions.

Just make it a lifetime ban for the first offense.
If you need fear to enforce your beliefs, then your beliefs are worthless.
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On Feb 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
If they really want to get rid of steroids they should stop the suspensions.

Just make it a lifetime ban for the first offense.

Or we could legalize steroids, and get rid of the problem in an equally efficient way.
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Being honest, when I hear that a man of nearly forty, recovering from what should have been a career-ending leg break, has used a bit of medical aid to made such a brilliant recovery, it does not dent my admiration of the man even the slightest. Hat off to Silva.
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If they really want to get rid of steroids they should stop the suspensions.

Just make it a lifetime ban for the first offense.

Or we could legalize steroids, and get rid of the problem in an equally efficient way.


On that note, why not have recreational steroids? Or how about a "Roid" division, everyone being on the same level? Could be interesting
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On Feb 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
If they really want to get rid of steroids they should stop the suspensions.

Just make it a lifetime ban for the first offense.


So long as we pay stupidly large amounts of money to athletes they will cheat.

The best way to get rid of steroids is to remove the incentive. But that aint gonna happen.
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On Feb 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
If they really want to get rid of steroids they should stop the suspensions.

Just make it a lifetime ban for the first offense.

Or we could legalize steroids, and get rid of the problem in an equally efficient way.


Not a fan of the idea but it is certainly valid.
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Dude signed a contract. If there's a different contract in the future then that's another story.
I would like to see a master's division for the over 40 fighters though
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True contracts are binding and if he didn't live up to it then there is no getting past it.
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If it's sports being discussed not a long history of contracts being binding.
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On Feb 12, 2015, TonyB2009 wrote:
Being honest, when I hear that a man of nearly forty, recovering from what should have been a career-ending leg break, has used a bit of medical aid to made such a brilliant recovery, it does not dent my admiration of the man even the slightest. Hat off to Silva.

He didn't use a bit of medical aid. He couldn't stand the fact that his favourite tactic would mean his demise. He shouldve done the right thing and either retired, or, work long and hard for an honest comeback. Instead, he chose to break the law, risk bringing disgrace to his sport, and lie to everyone about it.
He got caught. Now he must pay the price and feel the disgrace of an exposed cheat.
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Http://www.mmamania.com/2015/2/12/802661......oids-mma

My guess is that Dana White has known all along.
Probably why he always aggressively counter attacked when questioned about it. Pretty standard.
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On Feb 12, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On Feb 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
If they really want to get rid of steroids they should stop the suspensions.

Just make it a lifetime ban for the first offense.


So long as we pay stupidly large amounts of money to athletes they will cheat.

The best way to get rid of steroids is to remove the incentive. But that aint gonna happen.


All the more reason for 'one time equals lifetime ban'. The desire for the large prizes, on a supposedly ongoing basis, would be a strong incentive not to cheat.

You implement a system where a rigorous blood test, say three samples taken a week or so before, or immediately after each fight, from both fighters, are tested by three independent labs.

However Tony's point has validity, though it's much more complicated.

I'm no expert on steroids, but if there is a type that promotes faster healing without the performance "benefits" then I don't see a reason to disallow them.

Personally I think it's crazy to take a powerful and dangerous substance for any amount of money. Or glory.
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On Feb 12, 2015, Magnus Eisengrim wrote:
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On Feb 12, 2015, NYCTwister wrote:
If they really want to get rid of steroids they should stop the suspensions.

Just make it a lifetime ban for the first offense.


So long as we pay stupidly large amounts of money to athletes they will cheat.

The best way to get rid of steroids is to remove the incentive. But that aint gonna happen.


All the more reason for 'one time equals lifetime ban'. The desire for the large prizes, on a supposedly ongoing basis, would be a strong incentive not to cheat.

You implement a system where a rigorous blood test, say three samples taken a week or so before, or immediately after each fight, from both fighters, are tested by three independent labs.

However Tony's point has validity, though it's much more complicated.

I'm no expert on steroids, but if there is a type that promotes faster healing without the performance "benefits" then I don't see a reason to disallow them.

Personally I think it's crazy to take a powerful and dangerous substance for any amount of money. Or glory.

I agree NYCTwister.
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