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I was wondering if anyone has a recommendation for a good coin dvd that is filled with coin sequences. And what I mean by that is, I have a very good understanding of coin mechanics. However I am horrible at coming up with my own 1 coin routine, coin flurry, coins across or 3 fly routines, etc.

Iv been doing a very basic french drop and into a spider vanish then producing a jumbo for my 1 coin routine, and I'm getting bored with my standard shelled coins across and non-gaffed 3 fly. I kinda want to add more stuff and make my routines longer with more phases and maybe more visually appealing to the eye. Iv seen David stones, and Eric Jones's etc.. Im just looking for.. I don't know... inspiration. Nothing as crazy as FU**ING Coins. Something that is just simple to fallow, impressive, eye candy that will work in the "real world".

So I don't really need a video on coin technique, more than just good performances and routines. Or even youtube videos of coin routines that are pretty cool and maybe I can find some cool phases here and there to add in.

Anyone have any routines or videos that come to mind?

Cheers!
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10 bux says good ol MB pops his head in. he always comes to the rescue Smile haha
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Sounds like the New York Coin Seminars are for you. I haven't got the first DVD, but it has loads and loads of different routines for the same coins across/3fly plot. I've got #2,3,4 and they gave me so many great ideas for new routines with copper silver plots. You'll also learn loads of new moves in the process and there's a mixture of insanely hard stuff, and very practical stuff.
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On 2013-12-31 02:34, Derek Castillo wrote:
10 bux says good ol MB pops his head in. he always comes to the rescue Smile haha


...And the gentleman is a winner! Smile

Hi DC, I see you are still wanting more. Nothing wrong with that, it really is a natural occurrence as you journey in all this.

For me, expanding routines is what helped to create most of what I do. First, you perfect the moves, then you have to do something with them, and then you need to do a bit more…Believe me, I know the feeling. Smile

And that's exactly what led me to perhaps my favorite coin effect. After developing a core move, I needed to be able to display it in an effect beyond just the amazement of the move itself…Well, that led to the MB Transpo. It was a neat trick, that I still do a lot but as I got better with more, I wanted more from it. And so, that led to my ReViSiTed effect, where I took the MB Transpo much further and created what for me now is a signature coin trick filled with a little bit of all of what coin magic is. Smile Take a look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J7W-5ter1k

As I continued to play with core moves, I came up with all sorts of ways to use it and mixed it with even more moves I came across, like the "10 Switch" and the "Quick Pitch." Several examples of this can be found on VinnyMarini.com
There's much more there than just a bunch of my tricks, there is a progression and growth in me displayed all along the way, from The Crimp Change back then, to FlySki now. Smile

Most of the effects began as a quick trick (MBs Quickie Trickys), Smile and then evolved into longer, more modular effects, like my JumpMandu and or the Ike & Mike effects.

I have a keen Coins Across effect that I do pretty regularly now for folks, where I have assembled a neat set of moves to display the coins going across, 1 by 1. Smile A lot of it comes from the sorta stuff I basically do. I call it "Kemosabe," because for me the Coins Across genre has been a trusted friend throughout the years, and has taught me so much and allowed me to learn how to paint and pull my own wagon. Smile

Hope that helps, my friend. Keep moving forward in this New Year. Smile

-Mb
*Check out my latest: Gifts From The Old Country: A Mini-Magic Book, MBs Mini-Lecture on Coin Magic, The MB Tanspo PLUS, MB's Morgan, Copper Silver INC, Double Trouble, FlySki, Crimp Change - REDUX!, and other fine magic at gumroad.com/mb217magic Smile


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On the NYCMS DVD set, I have a coin show made up of tricks taught on the DVD, and my latest coin show has another group of effects from the DVD set. There are a few multi phase routines taught in the 17 disc 16 volume set, and among my favorites are copper silver routines using a hankerchief from myself and Roth. They are both based on the Expansion of Texture and Copper or silver extraction right out of Bobo. Other multi phase routines can be found, including a CSB routine with ungaffed coins (an updated handling was in my Penguin Live lecture), which also can be folowed by adding a coins across with three different coins, and a vanish of the coins. Another multi phase routine found is a production, wild coin sequence, change back, and vanish one at a time (I think its called sliding Wild Coin). There is also a routine called three times coin to card, where a signed coin travels under a business card three times (with an updated handling on the Penguin Live lecture). David Roth discussed an entire coin sequence in one of the workshops, and Roth also has a multi phase sequence using a bag. There are many other multi phase routines, (and Gallo has a few on the set)I just can't think of them at the moment since there are over 225 routines in the set!
On another note, I love Try Hoosiers Charming Chinese Challenge. That is a multi phase routine. And I have seen several Matrix sequences, where coins are produced, travel under one card, backfire, and go all at once. There are several around, but I don't a reference at the moment.
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"Hardbound" - that sounds like a new version of spellbound using soft ooins! Smile

(I swear I didn't make such poor puns before I started magic...)
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On 2013-12-31 02:34, Derek Castillo wrote:
10 bux says good ol MB pops his head in. he always comes to the rescue Smile haha


...And the gentleman is a winner! Smile

Hi DC, I see you are still wanting more. Nothing wrong with that, it really is a natural occurrence as you journey in all this.

For me, expanding routines is what helped to create most of what I do. First, you perfect the moves, then you have to do something with them, and then you need to do a bit more…Believe me, I know the feeling. Smile

And that's exactly what led me to perhaps my favorite coin effect. After developing a core move, I needed to be able to display it in an effect beyond just the amazement of the move itself…Well, that led to the MB Transpo. It was a neat trick, that I still do a lot but as I got better with more, I wanted more from it. And so, that led to my ReViSiTed effect, where I took the MB Transpo much further and created what for me now is a signature coin trick filled with a little bit of all of what coin magic is. Smile Take a look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J7W-5ter1k

As I continued to play with core moves, I came up with all sorts of ways to use it and mixed it with even more moves I came across, like the "10 Switch" and the "Quick Pitch." Several examples of this can be found on VinnyMarini.com
There's much more there than just a bunch of my tricks, there is a progression and growth in me displayed all along the way, from The Crimp Change back then, to FlySki now. Smile

Most of the effects began as a quick trick (MBs Quickie Trickys), Smile and then evolved into longer, more modular effects, like my JumpMandu and or the Ike & Mike effects.

I have a keen Coins Across effect that I do pretty regularly now for folks, where I have assembled a neat set of moves to display the coins going across, 1 by 1. Smile A lot of it comes from the sorta stuff I basically do. I call it "Kemosabe," because for me the Coins Across genre has been a trusted friend throughout the years, and has taught me so much and allowed me to learn how to paint and pull my own wagon. Smile

Hope that helps, my friend. Keep moving forward in this New Year. Smile

-Mb


You're like my own personal super hero. ok ok I wont be selfish, You can be other peoples super hero also.

Thanks for the reply!!!
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On the NYCMS DVD set, I have a coin show made up of tricks taught on the DVD, and my latest coin show has another group of effects from the DVD set. There are a few multi phase routines taught in the 17 disc 16 volume set, and among my favorites are copper silver routines using a handkerchief from myself and Roth. They are both based on the Expansion of Texture and Copper or silver extraction right out of Bobo. Other multi phase routines can be found, including a CSB routine with ungaffed coins (an updated handling was in my Penguin Live lecture), which also can be folowed by adding a coins across with three different coins, and a vanish of the coins. Another multi phase routine found is a production, wild coin sequence, change back, and vanish one at a time (I think its called sliding Wild Coin). There is also a routine called three times coin to card, where a signed coin travels under a business card three times (with an updated handling on the Penguin Live lecture). David Roth discussed an entire coin sequence in one of the workshops, and Roth also has a multi phase sequence using a bag. There are many other multi phase routines, (and Gallo has a few on the set)I just can't think of them at the moment since there are over 225 routines in the set!
On another note, I love Try Hoosiers Charming Chinese Challenge. That is a multi phase routine. And I have seen several Matrix sequences, where coins are produced, travel under one card, backfire, and go all at once. There are several around, but I don't a reference at the moment.


Thank Mr. Rubinstein. Ill be sure to look at some of the dvd's. My buddy gave me a few of his to barrow while I was in the hospital, But I was so drugged up that I cant really remember what I had watched.

I don't know why, its just me. And I think this goes along with my "Magicians Syndrome" issue that I have been trying to break. But I don't like routines that use any Magic looking props such as okito boxes, Silks, Leather and cork, magic wands. And I know that limits my choices and I'm missing out on some great routines. I don't know why I think that way about the routines and just disregard them. Maybe because I was doing them at 13 and I look at them as "kid-ish" beginner routines (Even though there are highly technical and complicated variations).. Ugh. Its to hard to put it into words, and Im not bashing on anyone that loves the routines. I envy people that know grip loads of effects that they an do at the drop of a hat... I just find them.. Umm.. Cliche? Just like linking rings, rope routines, cups and balls. I just think they are ... god I don't want to word it wrong and upset people, and start a riot against me haha, but ill risk it anyway... I find them played out and completely boring, almost childish in a way. (I know I have a skewed perception) but I'm trying to break that. I think I'm jaded by all the theory 11-ish style of video editing, HD camera trailers with techo music in the background, and really visual effects. Even though I know they are just "camera friendly routines", they still end up making "worker routines" seem a bit plain and uninteresting.

I really enjoy, minimalist routines, non-propy, easy to fallow, simple to comprehend, and extremely powerful. I give a variaty of examples, maybe someone can see a pattern or trend, Like PVP by Marc Spelmann, (super simple method, yet powerful, and entertaining, plus it is very simple to fallow and is elegant in its simplicity. A beautiful routine) a few others include: Anniversary waltz by Mathew Dowden, Eric meads rendition of troy hoosers "Extroydinary" that he did on a lecture, Deck to pocket, A 3 coin vanish that ends clean using a Shell and Flipper set, My version of shadow coins that incorporates a bit of shoot ogawa and dean dill and Michael Ammars moves. Tommy wonders Dajavu, David Williamsons Torn card routine where he ends up pressing out the creases at the end, and helder and derricks routines they did in their show where a folded odd card matches a prediction and then changes beneath the glass.

I hope I didn't offend anyone, I am not trying to talk Ish about what people are into, Just trying to express my point of view. Also please excuse my spelling and grammar, Its late and iv had a few drinks. haha

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!!!!
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A really good example of my conflict would be to reference Sponge Balls or Sponge bunnies. A lot of people swear by them and say they get the greatest reactions from adults and children alike. Probably one of the most powerful routines they can perform.

On the other hand, others thing that it is completly childish, unformal, dorky, boring, etc etc etc.. Iv heard just as many horrible bad things about sponge balls that I have heard amazing incredible wonderful things about them too.

blah.. The more I read and study theory, Designing miracles, Strong magic, the conceptual theory of magic, fitzkee, Henning, Webbers Maximum entertainment etc... the more complicated it has become to just find stuff and run with it. I seem to now second guess everything and I'm in that mode of trying to find the "perfect effect".

Also information overload with instant downloads and easy assess to tons of variations to the same routines. Iv come to the point where I buy a bunch of downloads, skim them, find maybe 1 move I kinda like, then disregard all the rest. (Wasted money imo)

I wish I was born back in the day when books where the hot thing, and only a limited amount of stuff was out, and the magician to magician mentoring was more easily accessible without paying an arm and a leg. Ohhh.. Those were the good ol days.. that I didn't get to experience. hahahaha.

As far as being jaded by the new-age magic. I did watch Williamsons' penguin live lecture recently and that kinda temporally snapped my perception back into reality about how magic should be presented. I think he is an absolutely wonderful performer.

Someone give me an e-reality slap across the face and keep slapping me back into perspective on how to think as a laymen and not a magician. HIT ME! DOOO IT! GET TO THE CHOPPER!!!!

Thanks again for the responses so for guys!!!

PS. Quickly going back to the montor thing, I live in southern orange county, and would love to meet up with someone that really loves to jam, and not just to show the cool new move they are working on, but someone that really likes working on show development, structure, and actual routine practice.

Anyone live around me??? Im 27, single, I like long walks on the beach, performing magic at random bars just to have fun and try out new material, Im a Gemini, Hate people that chew with their mouth open, and of course. I love magic! - Now accepting "Friend requests". hahahahaha
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I live on the other side of the world but love your sense of humour mate!

I can understand your dilema about old fashioned routines, I used to think that way but a while back I completely flipped and realised just how wrong I had been. Sponge balls fir example is magicaly strong but that doesn't satisify anyone, what it needs is to be entertaining. All magic is cliche if not given an interesting plot.

I no you understand this. I cant change your mind either but at the end of the day as long as you and your auduence like your magic then who cares what you choose to perform.

GL brother
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Derek,

Check out Michael Close, if you haven't already. He seems to have the same attitude toward classic effects that you do. His four-DVD set, put out by L&L, "Ultimate Workers," contains a lot of great material.
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Derek I gave a Christmas gift to the Café called crimptrix , not sure if you found this or if you did it mmay not be to your liking ..
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Vinny I saw your routine, that was awesome! Yet, Still not my cup of tea personally. I prefer matrix routines using only coins. (again, minimalist props) being able to achieve the same magical effect using as little props and moves as possible.

Either way, still looks great in your hands! Its always a treat seeing your's and MB's material. You both have this natural "real" (non-flashy) style that I love to see. Which is becoming rare.
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Don’t believe the naysayers with regard to sponge balls; you can definitely kill with a sponge routine. Take a look at Scott Guinn's "Peanet Butter and Jelly" ebook.

Jim
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My post may not have been clear. The classic kill. that's is all
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Deadsets - I understood you Smile


I don't know how to stop over thinking.

I have my normal sets that I do for gigs. But iv been on this mission for a LONNNGGG time now to try and create all new shows. That's why Iv been asking a lot of random, (off the wall at times)questions in the threads I have been posting, if you have seen me floating around here at all.

Im trying to create a show that is as close to REAL MAGIC as possible, No propy-props. Nothing too complicated in technique or mentally exhausting. I think that's also why I have been trying to add mentalism into the mix, at times, its sooo pure. I love it, which then makes my head spin trying to mix "magic" and mentalism.

So through this LONG process its turned from fun and entertaining, into an exhausting effort to sift though my countless supply of books, dvds, notes, word documents, etc. trying to compile a list of "Purest" effects (And I don't mean non-gimmicked)

I want each of my shows, from strolling to stand up to be simple to fallow, clean, powerful routines that will SLAY my paying customers..Routines that don't take a lot of skill or fiddling around so I can focus all of my attention onto the performance aspects of it all. But at the same time, Kinda "hip" and exciting, while having a hue of artistic value to it. This is kinda of Oxymoron-ish, But self-working sleights is my main goal. No clip shifts and edge grips, or multiple shifts and angely palms. I want rock solid routines throughout the entire act that are 100% surefire jaw droppers.

Once I have that, prices will go up, then I can focus on acting classes and presentation. and then finally move my attention to mainly focus on marketing and branding.

that's the goal anyway.

Not really sure why I ranted a little. Im bored. Crohns disease sucks, Iv been laying in bed for year, only going out to either do a gig, go to the doctors, or go refill my mountain high stack of pills I am on.

That probably contributes to my head spinning, trying to develop stuff and not being able to go out and test all these ideas Im thinking about. And I don't want to test raw material at a paid gig.

I need a mentor. lol
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Derek I gave a Christmas gift to the Café called crimptrix , not sure if you found this or if you did it mmay not be to your liking ..
vinny


Happy New Years, Godfather…You're the best! Smile

-Mb
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Eric jones metal series 3 DVD set the first just Basics, the second and third, routines non gaffed and gaffed verry good stuff
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