Can anyone point me in the right direction on this one? I need more advanced help with my classic palm. Books, sites, personal experience would be a great help. Due to being double jointed I can't seem to pull it off well. I can accomplish a lot with other coin sleights but that one has me frustrated.

Deerbourne

One member, Dan has a nice site called coin vanish dot com.

The essay is in the foundations section of http://www.coinvanish.com

Dan-great information!

Here's a question for all. Other than walking around with a coin classic palmed, are there additional exercises/activities to do in order to make the hand muscles bigger? Right now, one side of the "clamp" that is near the thumb is large enough, but the opposing muscle needs to be built up as it is flatter.

Does the building of this muscular "V" only come through palming practice or is there something else to do to build this up?

Thanks to all for responses.

I have a great learning tool.

Try to hold the coin in your hand while using the computer mouse. If you can do this without the coin touching the mouse and still use the mouse (all buttons) then you have a good classic palm.

Also remember classic palm should only be a temporary position in a routine, you should get to finger palm most of the time asap.

Try finding a semi hard rubber ball. The kind used with a beach paddle ball game is ideal.
A little bigger than a ping pong ball, rubber outside hollow inside.
Then carry it with you and squeeze it with the tip of the pinky and thumb.
It will definately strengthen part of the muscle in the heel of your hand.
If you just do it now without the ball and feel the fleshy part at the base of your thumb. You will see what I mean.
I don't know if this is fact but it has been helping me. I can now use the mouse with a half palmed. Typing is still alittle slow with lots of errors...LOL
Hope it is of some help.
Nick Zender

Big muscles are not needed. Actually, you want to try to develop as light a grip as possible.

Bobo asserted that the coin should be held lightly enough that a slight tap on the hand would dislodge it.

The reason being, your hand will appear be more natural to others and you will also be able to hold or manipulate other objects more easily.

Reed McClintock has a special method for learning the Classic Palm that is fool proof AND has some additional benefits that are incredible! And, I hear via the Vinovine, that Reed is releasing the information in some as yet undisclosed format in the near future. Reed classic palms seven or eight coins with no trouble, so whatever he does, it's worth a look. So look for it...

Best, PSC

Dan is a MASTER, no doubt about it...

That website is now one of my favorites...as to classic palming, my hands have never been able to do it without "chicken-footing"...I get by with a quick sloppy one, and get by, using a plethora of other "methods", but after seeing the posts here (and there, thanks Dan!) I've decided to use a rubber ball, as stated above, and see if after a while, my hands can adapt.

I cannot get my hands to do what Dan's do in those pictures...right now, at least...and the tip on the Retension Vanish, now I know why my first finger's knuckle keeps "popping up", in tent-like fashion. Geez, lotta work to do (and bad habits to "unlearn").

I have two silver dollars, and am using one right now, as I ty.....oops! Well, WAS, anyway

Doug

Just a tip for those working on the retention and palming...

Start with the coin at the tips of your second and third fingers ... and thumb. Now do the retention put and really depend on your third finger.

Then let the third finger continue the action and get the coin where it's going.

Practice Practice Practice. with big coins, small coins and medium coins. one coin, two coins three, four and five. Practice all the time, everywhere you go. Practice while holding things..

That's how I did it.

The article on Dan's site is excellent and helped
me quite a bit. I have found that using multiple coins tends to make it easier when I go back to a single coin.

Still haven't perfected the mouse classic palm, that is a tricky one. (clink)

To practice I would start with the coin on the fingertips and stick it in classic palm one handed, then muscle pass downward to my other hand, and repeat with that hand. I did this over and over and over.... etc.

This really helped with my one handed load to classic palm and getting a classic palm with my left hand, which I could barely do.

I found driving with a coin classic palmed to and from work a great way of building up the knack. I also while smoking (I know, I know) also helped with a natural appearance when performing. I then progressed to writing with a coin palmed. All these ittle excercises helped me a bunch.

Duh that one line didn't make any sense... I meant... smoking with coin classic palmed also was a good exercise.

Since I've been learning to classic palm, I just palm a coin in both hands at once when I do a day of palming. This keeps me from "cheating" by using the hand with no palmed coin to do things and develops both hands at once.

I have found in teaching others that the biggest reason for failure with the Classic Palm is wrong positioning of the coin to begin with.

While I won't go into detail on a public forum, I will suggest that if you have to do anything more than to simply move your thumb to the left - the coin is not in proper position, and you end up with either that strange withered look or stiff strained look to your hand.

I got the palm down by walking around with the coin in my hand for three days wiping my back after going to the bathroom eating with a knife and fork etc. and I can not tell you how many times I dropped the coin but it helped me in 2 ways. 1 it got the palm natural and 2 it got me to understand what palming is all about and if you are battling with palming you shoud really re access what you want to accomplish with each palm to make it part of your routine, Palming is an unnatural way to hide an object in a natural way and that should always be remembered. No one can palm so well that they are " bulletproof". Practise just to use it well and make it easy for yourself.

Very soon The way to classic palm will be available. I have been teaching my technique for the last few years. The first place I tipped it was in San Francisco Misdirections lecture. People are getting it with my technique on how to learn it. There will no longer be the difficulty and one way thinking on this essential sleight. It will be available very soon.
Every detail and nuance is covered and the logical progression into multiple palming is and will be taught thoroughly.
cheers
Reed

Indeed, when I started out I was doing it wrong. It was actually coinvanish.com where I learned the PROPER technique. Thank you Dan!

I love the classic palm... I use it everytime I do my routines