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DVD Alert!

Juan Tamariz's Mnemonica Miracles: Card Magic to Remember by Dan and Dave
http://dananddave.com/products/mnemonica......tamariz/

I'm excited about this one. I ordered mine over the weekend. Once I've watched all of it, I'll review it.
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Pricey. I look forward to your review.
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I'm curious. What's your definition of pricey?
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Expensive.
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To me, seems like a very reasonable price for a 5 disc set of the master himself. I suppose it comes down to how into stack work one is. Tracking says mine will arrive within the hour. Can't wait!
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Don't think it is expensive at all!
I'm just wondering why there's so little buzz about the DVDs. Probably because of the mem deck guys who know the value of the stack and want to keep it as secret as possible.



(p.s.: You should see what some mentalists charge for work that hasn't even come close to the years Juan put into his work.)
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Cain,

I'm not criticizing you; I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from. I understood that you meant Pricey = Expensive. But at what point does something become expensive? Here are a few possibilities:

1. You could say that ANY magic item that costs more than $50 is your definition of an expensive item. (The threshold dollar amount could be wherever you'd like to set it; it's your definition, after all.)

2. This is a 5 DVD set. $150 works out to $30 per DVD. I've seen a lot of magic DVDs that are around that price. But in this case, you can't buy the individual DVDs, one at a time, for $30 each; you have to buy the whole set, whether you want it or not. That could make it seem expensive to you.

3. 5 DVDs is a lot of video material. You'd have to devote quite a lot of time to them. Further, if you haven't done much memorized deck work, the task of learning that sort of magic can look daunting. You could have meant that the set is expensive in terms of the time that it would require from you.

4. Maybe you've never seen Juan Tamariz perform live. Maybe you've seen a few video clips of him, and you aren't fond of his performance style. Therefore, you perceive that there might not be enough material on the DVDs to make them valuable to you. In that case, you might say that the set is expensive.

By the way, since you live in or near Los Angeles, are you a member of the Academy of Magical Arts? The Academy dues run around $525.00 per year. Would you consider that to be expensive as well? If so, why?
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Barry,

While I still look forward to what I'm sure will be a comprehensive review, you really should keep the speculative verbal diarrhea in check. I've heard a doctor describe $200 medication as "pricey," but she insisted it's still "worth it." Something can be expensive and still pay dividends. I'm not sure why magicians are so eager to take a perfectly reasonable off-hand comment and use it as an opportunity to swing from Tamariz's nuts.

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Further, if you haven't done much memorized deck work, the task of learning that sort of magic can look daunting. You could have meant that the set is expensive in terms of the time that it would require from you.


No Barry, I could not have possibly meant that. My original comment described the set as "pricey," which was then unnecessarily clarified as "expensive" as per your unnecessary question. I don't think any reasonable person could interpret "pricey" as meaning expensive in terms of my time. Indeed you open your post saying "I understood that you meant Pricey = Expensive." I must say, I suspected your question was a wispy pretext to play Socrates, and this seems confirmed by your follow-up reply. The extent to which I think you failed -- well, I'd rather not say. Maybe you should have spent your time reading up on the sorties paradox.

I've used a memorized deck for probably seven or eight years.
I have seen Tamariz perform live.
I am not a member of the Society of Magical Arts, and I'd rather not discuss why since it's completely beside the point. If you're genuinely interested in understanding my reluctance for purchasing this set sight-unseen, here are a few reasons off the top of my head.

1) I almost never buy anything without first reading the reviews.
2) I own Mnemonica (which I bought used for much less than a $150). How much of the material overlaps?
3) I do not use the Tamariz stack.
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Cain, I think those are good justifications. I bought it immediately because 1) I use the Tamariz stack exclusively; 2) I HOPE the material overlaps so I can understand it and perform it better; and 3) it's Tamariz! Also, even though pricey, I've paid a LOT more for crap I now regret.
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Cain,

For goodness sake, I didn't show you any hostility. I just wanted to understand why you thought the set was pricey.

Lighten up!
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Barry,

You may not have been hostile, but you were definitely patronizing. And c'mon, how many items at a typical magic shop cost more than a $150? It's not rocket surgery.
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On 2014-01-22 12:04, RickDangerous wrote:
Don't think it is expensive at all!
I'm just wondering why there's so little buzz about the DVDs. Probably because of the mem deck guys who know the value of the stack and want to keep it as secret as possible.
(p.s.: You should see what some mentalists charge for work that hasn't even come close to the years Juan put into his work.)


Indeed, those who know the value of Mnemonica will not want more people to know and keep them exclusive for themselves.

Interesting that local community thought it is not good to have the material release in DVD format, many young one thought it means exposure. I just have no idea what is the difference. The stack have been publish for decades, and I only saw no more than 5 person besides Juan perform effects in the book. Will the DVD release made everyone around me perform materials inside and made me look stupid to perform them in front of audience? I doubut it.

I am glad this set is out, provide that I am such an admirer to Spanish School of Magic.
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On 2014-01-22 22:46, Steven Leung wrote:
Will the DVD release made everyone around me perform materials inside and made me look stupid to perform them in front of audience? I doubut it.

I absolutely agree. To learn the stack, faro shuffling, shifts, peeks and glimpses, f***e shuffles, the psychology, presentation, body langugage, timing, deck s******s etc. to a point where you are able to perform the material takes more than just a set of DVDs. It's months and years of practice not many will put in. At least I too haven't seen many since the release of the book.
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The set arrived yesterday. (I've got to hand it to Dan & Dave. Their customer service is superb.) I'll work my way through the material and post a review.

But it's not going to happen overnight.
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I'm really interested in your review, but take your time
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Barry, I'm interested in even a PARTIAL review. I should be getting my set in the next day or two.
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In the hopes it may be of assistance to stack workers considering this set, I've done a fairly comprehensive write-up on it over in this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30
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Thank you so much, very nice review!
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On 2014-01-24 09:33, Pasteboard Alchemist wrote:
In the hopes it may be of assistance to stack workers considering this set, I've done a fairly comprehensive write-up on it over in this thread:
http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......start=30


I have a brief comment about this great review in the same thread...
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Received my set today. I'm excited to work through this material.

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