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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Warmers are now Changers.
They got fed up of backing losers so now they back all the runners.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2014-02-03 22:03, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Hey, and when all else fails, throw in a snarky straw man. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Not snarky. I gave you explicit examples of "deniers" on this board making solid scientific claims. Yet you insist that these are "opinions" not "claims".
How many more contortions do you want to put yourself through. RNK says that there isn't enough data: Quote: Is he claiming that he understands the science well enough to say that there is not enough data?
On contrary to what Bob is saying this is a power/money grab by our politicians and an opening for other countries to take more of our money. If Global Warming was a major issue something would have been done about it by now. Obama and his regime had the majority in the House and Senate when they rammed the Healthcare Bill down our throats and could have done something about it then. But didn't! Only proving that there are to many differing opinions and not enough data and correlations to truly prove Global Warming is happening. I have no more great examples, because the final 12 pages of the thread have almost nothing to do with climate science, but degenerate into name-calling and sweeping generalizations about media bias. But Rockwall, I really don't know what to say to you. Apparently you want to hold Bob to task for claiming to understand science, but you refuse to hold anyone who agrees with you to the same standard. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2014-01-23 16:34, stoneunhinged wrote: I thought this was the reference you were making here. Sorry if someone posted this already, I did not read the whole thread.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2014-02-04 13:03, rockwall wrote: While John may or may not throw in straw men, snarky is not his mo in general.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Thank you Danny. I do have my moments, though...
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2014-02-04 13:32, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Let me ask you two simple questions Magnus. 1. Do you claim to understand the science behind AGW? 2. Have you ever made a scientific claim about something regarding the climate that you do understand? If the answer to 2 is yes, does that mean that the answer to 1 must also be yes or you're being dishonest? Because that seems to be what you are saying about anyone who disagrees with AGW. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Your logic escapes me, Rockwall. I am responding to YOUR claim that
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There are only a few on NVMS who continually claim to 'understand the science', and I'm not one of them. They are exclusively on the warmist side it's pretty obvious who one of them is. My last few posts have been an attempt to show that you are simply factually wrong in your claim that the only people on this forum who claim to understand the science are "on the warmist side". Now, to your other questions. I understand some of the science behind AGW. The basic physical and chemical processes are well within my education and experience. I understand the basic principles behind mathematical modeling, but the climate models being used are way beyond my experience and expertise. I do not have a deep knowledge or understanding of the science of AGW. I try very hard to limit my claims to what I can speak about with some confidence. When I am speculating, I try to remember to say so. In those cases where I have failed to live up to the standards I set for myself, I apologize. I've never been shy about that. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2014-02-04 13:52, Dannydoyle wrote: http://www.econlib.org/library/Essays/rdPncl1.html Wouldn't hurt to add the link would it? Sorry for my moranisism.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2014-02-04 14:09, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: What do you mean by that?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2014-02-04 15:18, Dannydoyle wrote: I probably have made a few snarky posts. But I try not to.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Was that one of them?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2014-02-04 15:25, Dannydoyle wrote: Hope not.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Magnus, well, I try to be clear, so I apologize if you can't understand my logic. I'll try to be clearer.
First off, I recognize that you have been consistent in stating that you don't understand much of the science. I respect that. I'm sure you understand much more of it than I do. What irks me, and I find both insulting and fallacious, are his continued comments that, "Those who understand the science know that blah, blah, blah", condescendingly putting himself within the category when both you and I know that he probably has less of an understanding of it than you do. I don't want to speak for all the skeptics on this board but my opinion is that in essence, they believe much as I do. While I admit that I don't understand the science, I have seen enough of the 'predictions', (and that's a lot), of the scientists and propagandists that push AGW, to have made the informed opinion that much of what they claim is wrong. I've also read many of the comments and blogs from those skeptics who I suspect DO understand the science to recognize that there is much to doubt. As you stated in a previous post. A majority of scientists believe 1. that the climate has warmed in the last 100 years and 2. that man has been the cause of some of that warming. Those are two pretty innocuous statements that we can both agree that most scientists believe in. Yet, those like Bob will use those two statements to expand on those two claims to include every exaggerated threat made to humanity by the alarmists and claim it's because he 'understands the science'. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Many push AGW as a way to push a political philosophy. Many are skeptics as a way to push a political philosophy. Sad that the truth is hampered by this process.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Busted: 120 gibberish science papers withdrawn — so much for “peer review”
http://joannenova.com.au/2014/02/busted-......-review/ |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On , rockwall wrote: Peer review in action. Unlike blogs and web posts, review continues long after publication. If problems are found, papers are withdrawn. Can you think of a better system?
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Yes, that's how peer review works. I don't understand the point. Bogus papers were published, detected and removed. I'm sure any remaining ones will be found also. I can't believe that peer review is being attacked because someone managed to get computer generated gibberish in journals. Sounds like a normal day on the Internet to me.
Unless, of course, if the purpose is to debunk peer review and science in general, which seems to be the agenda of some. Now if they'd just take the gibberish off the science denying blogs that pollute cyberspace... |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
Notice also that these are conference proceedings, not journal articles.
It's still very embarrassing for the conferences, but hardly fatal to the system of peer-review. If computer-generated nonsense papers made it into Nature, I'd be very concerned.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea 120 papers removed sort of speaks to the validity of "peer review". It does show people interested in ferreting out the issues exist and are at work.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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