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islayhawk New user 11 Posts |
What is the best technique to move a card from middle to bottom
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ruediger New user germany/black forest 53 Posts |
Depends on your knowledge ( and...there is no "best technique" ) and the situation you are in...
Not to hard to do ( technically spoken, but sometimes overused... )... holding a break under the selected card and just do a few cuts ( double undercut ) But whitout knowing you Level in Cardmagic...it's not easy to give you advice
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islayhawk New user 11 Posts |
A beginner - learning a few passes ie classic, spread,herman -but cannot find a pass that moves middle to bottom
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Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
Overhand shuffle followed by a f***e cut for visibility
pass for invisibility |
Yekrats Loyal user Dayton, Indiana 209 Posts |
For the beginner, I'd definitely recommend the holding a break + double undercut. You probably also would like to learn some basic card control, like an overhand shuffle control or Hindu shuffle. I also use a pass of some sort, or a pass substitute like the Guinn Utility Backslip. http://bit.ly/1jBmra9
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ruediger New user germany/black forest 53 Posts |
As you are a beginner, moving a card from the middle to the bottom with a pass may not be the best solution for your problem. Of course you CAN do a pass...but only if your pass is good enough at the moment. Honestly - mine isn't...
But what's the reason behind your question? Are you looking for a method ( because there is a nice little routine you wanna do ) to move a single card from the middle to the bottom...or do you just wanna practice ( and hopefully ) master different passes? You can move a selected card from the middle of the deck to the bottom...with a classic pass. You only have to control THAT card to the position above your pinky. But when you are able to control a card in the deck...you don't need a pass to do what you wanna do... Control the card to the top ( with your favorite method...i.e. a classic pass )...do an overhand shuffle ( as Zaphury told you ) and afterwards do a false cut...now you're done... Oh...and good advice from Yekrats to learn some basic card sleights beside the pass...
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Bulla Special user Honolulu, HI 674 Posts |
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On 2014-01-27 09:38, islayhawk wrote: This doesn't make any sense. All of these can move the middle to the bottom. |
Zephury Elite user Hollywood, FL 488 Posts |
^To what Bulla said.
Ruediger's supposed quote from me is correct.. that is a way that you can do it.. But you only need to do one of the steps. What I mean.. is to set their card on top of your pinky (Im exaggerating, just get a small break UNDER their card, not over it as you usually would and then just do a regular classic pass or whatever you prefer. Use your noggin. MANY of the card to top of deck controls can also get a card to the bottom.. Instead of getting a break above their card, get one below it. |
neocatalyst New user 71 Posts |
How is the card in the middle identified? Is it picked and replaced? Is it peeked? Do you have a break underneath it, etc.
Depending on the context, you'd use a different move. |
lcwright1964 Special user Toronto 569 Posts |
I am brand new so take what I say with a pound of salt. I do have to agree with others that more context would be more helpful. I am working through Royal Road right now, so now it is all about the shuffling, which is the first skill taught there. If I have a pinky break below the card I usually just go for the double undercut and that's it. If the break is above the card I double undercut to the top, and move immediately into an overhand shuffle to get it to the bottom--run a few from the top, shuffle off or throw on top, then a few more quick and messy looking shuffles while my middle and ring left fingers make sure the bottom card stays put. In both these scenarios you can dispense with the double undercut and transfer the break to the right thumb while starting the shuffle, but I still worry about losing track so a quick double undercut to top or bottom before a shuffle puts the card where I can find it. I do indeed have some skill with a turnover pass, and I use it with one trick where an open true cut would be just fine--I just like getting away with it, and it happens in the trick where the misdirection is easy. But I am learning fast that the pass, though hailed as the supreme skill of the cardician, is really not so mandatory in modern card conjuring. Harry Lorayne has said he almost never uses it. Royal Road deals with it half way through the book, and Card College doesn't get to it until well into Volume 2. Without it we can do a heck of a lot of high level card magic.
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islayhawk New user 11 Posts |
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On 2014-01-27 12:55, Bulla wrote: Maybe it doesn't make sense to you. I said I was a beginner and nowhere in the tutorials for these passes does it say that they can be used for middle to bottom - well not in the tutorials that I have seen. I chose to start learning passes early to get as much pracice as possible. I asked -in my opinion a reasonable question -I did not expect a retort of superior knowledge. I thank all the other responders for taking the time to explain various methods |
Bulla Special user Honolulu, HI 674 Posts |
What sources are you learning from?
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Bulla Special user Honolulu, HI 674 Posts |
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On 2014-01-28 16:49, islayhawk wrote: That was not a retort in any way. I apologize if you got offended but there are a lot of people who come on these forums just looking for secrets. It just sounded like you didn't actually know those passes and was just trying to seek information. |
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