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Whist reading a book by George Schindler
He writes about the basic effects of magic. That along with
Penn and Tellers "7 Principles of Magic " have me inquiring about
The basic effects of mentalism

My personal study suggests,
Precognition, Telepathy, Psychokinesis, Clairvoyance
Mind Control and Super Memory as some of the basic effects
That mentalism employs

What others are there (if any) and how do they create the illusion of mental magic?
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Also please note I'm not asking for methods or how a mental feat is accomplished merely whether or not if my list is complete and accurate
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Telekinesis is notably missing from your list, however I personally think that PK effects lack credibility, and generally come off as more "magickey".
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Oh, never mind. It is in your list. Sorry.
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Although often confused
There is a slight difference more so in the way the words were created

Psycho "mind "
Tele "distant"
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PK is the more inclusive term, since it includes causing action at a distance as well as in the hands (as in key bending, etc.)
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Thanks Mr. Cassidy
So in your expert opinion do you believe I am accurate in the list I have compiled or do you feel it lacks additional categories or requires further discussion?
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On 2014-01-29 19:42, Ben Blau wrote:
Telekinesis is notably missing from your list, however I personally think that PK effects lack credibility, and generally come off as more "magickey".


I've always said this. However, a lot of performers don't agree, and seem to think that modern audiences view PK as being legitimate.
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One might also add hypnosis to the list since it seems to go hand in hand with mentalists today.
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On 2014-01-29 20:05, Randy Rodgers wrote:
Thanks Mr. Cassidy
So in your expert opinion do you believe I am accurate in the list I have compiled or do you feel it lacks additional categories or requires further discussion?


I'd include mediumistic type effects as well as readings.
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I see a glaring omission.
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Readings!
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Who wants to argue over whether "readings" are technically an effect? Smile

(I don't think they are, according to the OP's request: "What others are there (if any) and how do they create the illusion of mental magic?")

I'd possibly remove "Mind Control" from the list and replace it with "Influence" - that removes the likely overlaps with telepathic mind control or psychokinetic mind control. But semantics...
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I recall that IAIN (I believe?) compiled a rather extensive list. I'll try to locate it or someone else may remember the list and re-post it

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Dariel Fitzkee's The Trick Brain lays out an interesting list. Those most apt to the mentalist would be:
- Animation (PK)
- Control (which he acknowledges to somewhat overlap animation)
- Indentification (clairvoyance)
- Thought reading (telepathy)
- Thought transference (also telepathy, but interesting to view the two skills as distinct)
- Predictions (precognition)
- ESP (largely clairvoyance)
- Pseudo-skill (such as day-for-date, super memory, etc)

So, according to one of the classics, your list is pretty complete! Smile
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On 2014-01-30 00:01, Tom Cutts wrote:
I see a glaring omission.


Me too. Probably didn't occur to me because I don't do it.

Psychological influence, subliminal perception, body language, etc. I.e. using the five senses to create the illusion of a sixth.
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Hmmm, nope. There is a clue in the words is chose.
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Scrying? What are you speaking of Tom? Spill it please...
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Is Tom referring to Blindfolds?
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I get it! Tom's post...

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On 2014-01-30 00:01, Tom Cutts wrote:
I see a glaring omission.


... is an anagram of
"Gloominess? I raise a gin!"

I think he is suggesting adding the mystical powers of alcohol to your list of effects! Emotional manipulation, if you will.
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