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David95
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I see that peas are available in green, red, and white. I was wanting to see what most of you used and why you use that color.
Thanks for your replies,
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I think it's a good idea to buy different colors. So you can always adapt your peas to your working surface. If you only do formal close-up you can just use green peas unless your close-up mat is green of course ...
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I know Perfect Peas have sort of become the norm but after lots of trial over the past few months I have to say that I much prefer the KD peas. They are MUCH softer which makes it easier to clip, at least for me. The only move I find easier with a firmer pea is the inside shift.

I was wondering if others have tried both and what their thoughts were.

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I like the KD peas big time and the bottom ridge shells with them. But the KD peas work good with all shells. That is all I use now.
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Another vote for KD peas here
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I noticed recently that the pea I have been using to practice has gotten a little smaller. Not sure if this is from normal use or if my new suede busking table is too rough a surface. Not a big deal but has anyone else noticed something like this?
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This is not the pea or the table. This is most likely the shell,with a textured inside surface that does not have the correct head space.
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Just curious, what does "head space" mean here?
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Before I tell what it means with a shell. Think what it means in general. Like if you were going to crawl under something, you would want to know that there was enough head space before you crawled in.

Head space inside the shell is how much room the pea has to roll freely before the shell starts putting pressure on the pea to start compressing. Some shells have a long putty filled tapper from the center of the shell out to the shell wall.

The head space from the top of the shell to the pea will get smaller as it travels closer to coming out of the shell and will build up more pressure before it is released to come out.

Now if you have a rough texture on the inside of the shell that does not have the correct head space on the shell, it will put wear on the soft pea.

Also the shell will move on its own if the pea does not have enough head space after releasing the shell. (This will happen when the pea is not in the center where there is correct head space.)

I think this is the most over looked area with shells that are made for the shell game. This is the main reason why the cheap Vernet shells work so well. They have lots of head space inside the shell for the pea to roll freely. They maybe don't look the best, but they work well.

Hope this helps.
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Very clear Al. I figured it was something like that but wanted to make sure. "Headspace" is a term I've heard used in a number of different contexts (document layout, firearms design, etc) so my interest was piqued by a use in the shell game, which I'm very new to but very interested in. I'll be sure to file the contents of your post away for when I go looking for a proper set of shells.
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Mike,
What shells and Peas are you using?
MikeDes
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This issue came up when I was using the La Maggiore Natural shells and the KD peas. I now use la Maggiore Organics and have the same issue. This does not occur when I use the Perfect Peas as these are a little more firm.
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I use both the SFS Perfect Peas and the KD Peas. I have each color of the Perfect Pea to match the color of the working surface. If working on a close-up pad, I tend to use the Perfect Peas. If the color is right, I use the KD Peas on the harder surfaces because of their softness.

If you are more than a casual shell worker, get a variety of both both brands. A good auto mechanic has many tools in his box and uses the best one to do the job. IMHO the analogy applies to working the shells. This is just my opinion, not dogma.
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Good advice LeoH. That is exactly what I do. I have different shells too for different performing environments. The Bottom Ridge Shells have some advantages for more informal performances like walk-around that I really like as well. I have different peas, different shells and different mats/tables. Diffrent tools for different jobs! Smile
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I haven't had any customers having any wearing problems with the KD peas when used with the La Maggiore Classic shells.

But I do not recommend the KD peas with the La Maggiore Nature or Organics shells.

As both of these shells have a rough inside surface with very little head space that will wear on the softer KD peas.
You would probably be better off using the prefect pea with these type shells. .

The KD pea was designed to work with shells that have the proper head space inside the shell to roll freely.
The KD pea works great with all the shells we make at 3shell.com.

All the shells we make have the proper head space for the pea to roll freely and will never come in contact with the inside texture.
The soft pea can roll inside freely, enter and exit freely.

Most of the attention has been on how to get a pea out of the shell in a smooth matter.
But not much attention has been on the shape of the shell for the pea to re-enter the shell.

All of the shells we make have a rounded shell wall on the inside and outside, where the soft KD pea will enter and exit the shell both ways smoothly.
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