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Majiloon ,
There is NO place that I have criticized your excellent product. I even recommend them and if you read my post again state, "I Recommend them".

I too read somewhat of a rant. In addition I will be placing an order within a year, however the demeaning tone concerns me.

To explain WHY a $99. product is "ridiculous" is welcome and productive to this subject. A Forum is the place for experts like yourself to inform why it is impractical.

I will attempt to correct my link with more current resistor information if that was your concern but anybody can Google it to locate.

Please chill
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Kelly (Majiloon),
I just want to thank you very much for the time you're spending with us, sharing your expertise and answering questions. Sometimes, the anecdotal nature of many of the forum's posts, based on an individual's own experiences, are very helpful, and can help us to consider many possibilities which otherwise would not have occurred to us. YOUR input, though, based on the combined & filtered input of hundreds of your customers & inquirers, and based on science (as opposed to anecdote), has proven tremendously insightful for me.
As another wireless professional, dealing instead with mics and the like, I certainly appreciate that some things work better than others, and sometimes what works better depends on other factors such as what other equipment is being used, environment, etc... I also appreciate that science is the answer, but that anecdotes can help to define some of the questions. Your insights seem to be geared toward getting the best possible results in a very wide variety of situations & environments, and it seems clear that's a big reason behind your design decisions.

Anyway, Kelly, thanks very much for your help here, because I've learned some things, and certainly have a better understanding of this type of system!

Sincerely,
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The cool head prevails.
We also thank you Dan! I believe that you have been the MOST valuable resource the Forum has ever had in respect to technical issues.

Your open source information without respect to brand has been refreshing as has been your Friendly Articulation.
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Hello:

I found nothing wrong with Kelly's posts; I thought they were pretty funny and made his point very clear. I'll be purchasing a system soon, and have to say that until recently, the Mini-tech has been my choice by a long shot. However, I'm now probably going to get a VSM based on Kelly's and Magic Mikey's comments.

My main concern was the larger remote; now I understand better about the am and fm frequencies, and reason for the remote size - thanks to Kelly's post.

I know almost nothing about all this stuff, so I depend on knowledgable people like Magicroadie and Magic Mikey. Seems they're both very high on Kelly's system, so I think I'll go with that.

Ron
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Hi, glodmagic & Ron!
Thanks for your kind words! Please keep in mind that I'm thanking Kelly for his contributions to this forum and to the magic community. It's a real good thing he's dong!

I'm not, however, recommending any system. What I AM recommending, is that you learn all you can from pros like Kelly, and make sure you're comfortable with the decision you eventually make for yourself.
I've never used a Virtual Sound Man, a ShowTech, a MiniTech, a Stage Cue, or any other similar system.

It seems to me that Kelly has designed his product based on science, and based on his own set of priorites. Other designers with similar knowledge may have a different set of priorities, and will therefore make different decisions. The most obvious example to be drawn from this thread, is AM vs. FM. The designers end up making different decisions, probably because of a different set of priorities. I suspect this is how Kelly (Virtual Sound Man) chose to build FM/larger size, and Kerry (ShowTech, MiniTech) chose to build AM/smaller size.

Again, learn all you can from pros like Kelly, and make sure you're comfortable with the decision you eventually make for yourself.

Cheers from Toronto!
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Dan, aka Magic Roadie, well stated.

Thanks for your input.
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Thank you Ron, Dan, I appreciate your attitudes, and referrals Glod.

I would like to offer a hand of some sort of reconciliation-
I don’t know if any of you realize how much heat I have taken personally- even before the infamous 2002 Genii article (for which I had no part in). It seems that I am fair game for drive-by snips, and cloaked comments in almost every thread I have been mentioned here at this web site. It seems that some people are predisposed to prejudice, and feel free to exercise it. Sure, I understand some of my comments may seem harsh- but I assure you that they are strategic in nature, and not vindictive- to stir up thought.

However- I do recognize people who could use some of my help- because I am always anxious to give it. This helps me as much as it helps you, as it can help reconcile my 25 years of toil in the business. I have received a handful of nasty enemies because of the success of my product- but- today- I have 739 customers from 17 countries that have more than helped tip the scales in my favor- and they let me know I am making a difference. I came from the streets, and have headlined in my own concert events.

"Somebody wants to buy a race car- you don’t go to a Bicycle mechanic- you go to someone who has competed in the Indy 500"
You are right Dan, about the method of discovery and development of my VSM. It took at least 1400 conversations, e-mails, secret questionnaires to a select group of customers, and all of my 25 years performing experience to come up with a product that serves the industry the best way it can- and at a price that accomplishes the same for the both of us. It is quite a task- in fact the last 2 1/2 years of my career have been dedicated to the VSM full time so I can be there for the customers.

I might also add that I have some pretty high profile customers- even some that would curl the hair of my closest competitor- but I am not disposed to make enemies. I will not disclose their names, nor do I use them as a sales tool- never. I cannot survive without serving others first, and I am in a unique position to do just that.

As for Ron- who started the thread- I hope I have been helpful, and if you have any other questions about how to best fit your needs and requirements- I will glad to help- or refer you to someone else who can do better, even if it is my closest competitor. I hope that this little sidetrack helps give you a glimpse of who I really am, and I hope I can continue to come visit here – but with perhaps less vitriol or prejudice towards me- so I can continue to contribute-

Did I use enough - - dashes? Can I buy punctuation from the same place you buy a vowel?

You have my apologies for drawing attention to myself,
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I guess I can throw in my two cents..

I have seem every kind of remote fail from Showtechs to Majiloon to Harry Blackstone's hi tech stuff. It happens. I am always a little leary when I use one. But I do.

The Virtual Soundman does do what I need it to do. But I must admit that Duane Laflin manual solution has a certain amount of comfort to it.

When I put remotes on my Blooming rosebush, I still put a manual override just in case. I might add that I use Marcello Contento's which have been very realiable. Old habits die hard.
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HI all, wanted to drop my three cents in to this conversation. First of all HI Dan (MagicRoadie) my buddy from Toronto. Second of all I am disappointed with you Majilloon in your business practice. First rule of thumb in my books is never slam your Competition. Saying you shouldn't buy someone's product because they also perform children's shows is like saying you shouldn't buy a car from that car sales person because he has red hair instead of the normal brown or black.
Second I have the stageCue...I have looked at all systems and I try to be unbias when I buy any product. I am not going to take a personal attack at you or your product even though I am amazed that you would attack your Competition based on what else they choose to do, rather than product to product.
Here are a few reasons why I bought the stage Cue over yours or Kerry's System...First...love the autopause that comes with the Stage Cue...if works on silence...I do not have to put one more sound clip into my music for the device to go...hmmmm..should I pause now?? Ummm..is this the special track I was looking for..all this is so confusing. My stagecue sees silence for four seconds...says umm...its time to pause.
I love the fact that I can control lights, and many other things from the remote power bar.
His LED DOES NOT need 9 volt battery's (woohoo) that alone to me is a selling point. You just plug the LED into the side of the stagecue and it works...nothing else for me to worry about...I can worry about just performing..making people laugh...wow...I mean umm..would I want to worry about anything else. NO!
I am not a birthday magician (not that there is anything wrong with that) I perform for high end clients with big dollars...who expect my show to go off with out a hitch. I used to use a sound man at my shows...and often times I still do...but I have a few bits that I need to have controll over my music...and I use the stagecue...believe in the stagecue...and it has yet to let me down.
I also know that if the situation was reversed Joe would not put you down because of other things that you do as you live your life. He would compare his product with your product spec for spec.
Joe also has built tons of Electronic equipment for me...one offs...David Merry one of my best friends also uses the stagecue...and will back me up on the statement its the best thing he or I have bought for our shows. Dave also has tons of Joe's other products...one offs...and Dave being like myself a working pro...can't hope that his equipement will work...he has to know that his equipment will work...everytime...all the time.

Sorry this was lengthy...sometimes its not about the color of the hair of the salesperson...its what features the car has that makes me place the money down and buy it.

Magically yours
Ray Anderson
http://www.coolmagician.com

Opps..forgot one thing...Majiloon...I do believe that the idea of just pushing a button rather that programming a device is the best means of controlling music...for this I commend both you and Joe for using this method...I believe that at times we are all idiots and the most chances we give outself to screw up we will. So thanks for taking the worry out of having to program one more thing. Two thumbs up to both you and Joe.

Magically yours
Ray Anderson
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Important news;
As to the “Auto pause topic”… I will be ready to release news from my group of engineers that will prove to be extremely helpful to all those who wish to avoid the confusion associated with it. All I can say right now is that after 3 years of research, hundreds of hours, and thousands of $’s of my own money- I have finally solved the problems- once and for all.

I am extremely excited about it, as it has become my most important work yet. It’s funny, I get a kick out of this engineering stuff, Many of you may reward yourself with the money you earn from your shows with Big screen TV’s, new costumes, new illusions, and other goodies. But I have been spending my income on--- research… That must make me a little geekish..

More to come soon…

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I got this off of the Stagecue website...it looks like technology will soon save us all!

"NEWS FLASH

March 1, 2004: New circuitry will be available shortly to StageCue customers. The "Ultra-Pause" circuitry receives information from the Sony© MiniDisc player to tell the StageCue when the track ends, and when to automatically pause, because of the 0:00 time display. There is now two-way communication through the Sony© control cable... not only is the StageCue sending info to the MiniDisc player to control it but, the MiniDisc player sends info back up the Sony© cable to the StageCue receiver to allow the 'Ultra-Pause' functionality. No need to record silence or special digital signals to tell the receiver what track its on....It's Ultra-matic!"
RayAnderson
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Hi Magicguy, yes that info is available...actually my unit was just upgraded...Joe had contacted me informing me that he had solved the puzzle concerning the autopause feature...(He had told me it would be coming) and sure enough he did it...I sent my unit back to him (at no cost to me) and he upgraded it.

I do become a bit of a religious fanantic when I talk about Joe and his products...when I bought his unit a year ago...his statement when I bought his stagecue was that all service or any service in the first three years would be free. But I never dreamed that would also honour upgrades.

Most companies tend to want to make you buy new products to receive their upgrades. But I received the auto pause for free.

Majiloon congrats on using your money on reseach for your company. But when I buy new illusions that cost me thosands of dollars I do that so my consumers will always have the best in what I can give them.

I too spend my own money on promo material, new illusions, research, new ideas not because I want to ...but because I always want my clients to have the best of what is available to me. I would rather buy giant screen TV's, new clothing, but I know for me to keep my business up and running at its best...I have to take some of my income and put it back into the business...so that my business will be that much more sucessful

So for you spending money so that your business is more successful congrats and to the fact that soon you are releasing more info from your team of engineers about the auto pause topic congrats on that...looking forward to hearing more.

But for now I am happy with the stage cue...and the auto pause that is already in use with that product
have fun...stay cool...and good luck

Ray Anderson
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I was coming back from a week on the road with my One Man Show today and I got a call in the car. A friend of mine told me to sign in at this site to read the stuff going on here about wireless sound products. I've read the last few postings and want to comment on what is being said about the builder of the Stagecue. First of all Joe hardly needs any defending but in this bizarre business Joe Leskovar has my utmost respect. I met him a few short years ago and after seeing his brilliance in his electrical and mechanical engineering, I hired him to build some equipment for me. At that point he was just starting out and wanted to get his name out there so he sent me one (stagecue) to try as a trial. After hearing the rumours about how reliable the stagecue was and it's advanced features I bought one immediately after using it just twice. By the amount of these he sells I'm sure he doesn't do that anymore ..... My show improved 20% overnight. I then asked him about customized projects. I need stuff built just for me, one of a kind stuff. I would ask him if he thought he could build me something, (it was always fairly wierd mechanical and electrical props)I do comedy magic. He would come back to me in a couple of days and say yes. To this day he hasn't declined one idea. He has not only devised the method and priciple he has engineered the unit like a collectors workshop piece. The engineering is astounding. He will build stuff for me and present it to me better than I had imagined...that is his true genius. There is nothing he can't build. To be honest, there are a few of us who truly would like to keep his name to ourselves as he is such a valuable resource, secondly the stagecue is the single best piece of equipment I own for my show. If I play a theatre or club and the sound guy misses my cue because he is trying to pick up a waitress I'm now covered. I should think before anyone slams anyone else on the net they should find out more about their target. Has anyone asked Joe about his training? Joe has an incredible electrical and mechanical engineering background. My show went from a regular comedy club type act to being nominated for best One Man Show at the Canadian Comedy Awards last year.
Incidently his show is as entertaining as he is, he works for adults, kids and the toughest crowd of all magicians.
P.S. I was a birthday party magician too.

Dave Merry
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Mr. Anderson,

If you think there is any "programming" on the Virtual Sound Man (Majiloon), you are obviously not familiar with the product. It's really a "plug and play" unit. I had a little trouble with the pause generator. However, this confusion was 100% user error. Kelly Duro was very patient with me. After reviewing the instructional DVD and the written material, I realized how stupid I was.

I would recommend a mini disc instead of the CD player because of its flexibility.

My unit arrived on a Wednesday and I performed a large corporate show on a Saturday (with minimal rehearsal). I felt very confident with the product and it improved my show 10 fold! Have you ever tried explaining 27 music cues to someone 5 minutes before a show...especially to someone who really doesn't want to help you in the first place? I'm now a big fan of Kelly and the Virtual Sound Man. I think you should seriously rethink your comments.

Here's the exact e-mail I sent to Kelly after the show...

"I finally understood the procedure for generating the pause signal and everything works great. The unit performed beautifully for the show and I felt
very confident with the product! Thanks for your technical support and patience with my "user error" problems."

Jimi Gibson
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Dear Jimi, I think that Mr. Anderson commended Kelly and Joe for >not< needing programming. He said:

"I do believe that the idea of just pushing a button rather that programming a device is the best means of controlling music...for this I commend both you and Joe for using this method"
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Jimigibson, Magicguy stated my comment correctly I thanked Majiloon and Joe Leskovar (the maker of the stagecue) for making it easy for us (the performer) to have an easy way to control our music...there are a other systems on the market that you have to program an though there is some advantages to this because of some of the extras you can do with it...more often that not the extras confuse us...and the performer then screws up the programming. I commended Joe and Majillo for making such an easy system to use.
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Well this is my first and probably only post, but I must say what I think about the Majiloon Virtual Soundman 7.5. I own both the VSM 6 and VSM 7.5 and I must say that they both have far exceeded my expectations. I have used my systems for 3 years now and have never had one single problem. I love the new 7.5 system. In fact I just recieved the large LED for my VSM 7.5 and here is what I sent to Majiloon when I recieved it:

Hey buddy. Just recieved the LED!! THANKS!!!!!!! I am soooo excited to get this thing workin with the show. Just wanted to say thank you and I will be certainly sending more folks your way. You are da' man!!!

David

I am a faithful VSM user!! I just want to encourage anyone who may be juggling the decision on weather or not to buy the VSM to get it. It has turned my show into a production. I even use it in my birthday parties. Oh and to cover the topic about the size of the remote, I love the belt clip remote. No need to wonder where you left that little key chain laying at when you need your music. You always have the remote on your belt. And I must say that I have people all the time asking me who did my sound. That kindof tells me they didn't see the remote action. Well, I will quit my blabbering, but I hope that if you are looking for a GREAT, RELIABLE, and AFORDABLE remote system you will check out the Majilloon!!

Dave
ps. You may have noticed that I didn't comment on any of the other systems (Stageque, or Show Tech). I think it is best to not open my mouth about a system that I don't own. Just seems like there are a lot of comments from folks who like to bash things they know nothing about. Hope my comments helps someone in the decision process.
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Hi David Allen, I am not saying that you shouldn't own a remote controlled music device...I am also not saying that are not a great tool (I have one) I am saying that don't put your Competition based on what else he chooses to do (don't put someone down because he also does children's birthday parties...and say on a place like this that people shouldn't at least look at his equipment. That is why I became involved in this thread in the first place. I want everyone to look...to research all products so that they can make informed choices about what they are buying. I am not saying that the VSM 6 or 7.5 are not great products...I am saying I choose an other product based on my needs and wants.
I am also saying compare equipment spec for spec...machine for machine. When you buy a car you don't buy one just because it looks pretty...you buy one based on your needs...your wants and the one that is closes to that and in the best price range of what you would like to buy usually wins.
When I bought my mic after using for a few years new ones came on the market...called up Dan McClain Jr (MagicRoadie.com) said hey buddy I know there is this new mic out...it looks great is it better than the one I am using now. I really want it, Dan said well it is $500.00 I said no problem...if I am going to have better sound and the mic looks better on (it was a new headset) then I want to buy it. We set down an looked at the pros and cons of both headsets...my old mic was better for what I needed it for...it wasn't about the money or who was the nicest guy...it was the product.
What I am saying David is this...I don't feel that this is the place that you should say by this or that...but it should be a place where you can find out info about stuff you don't know. That is why I promote places like http://www.magicroadie.com. It is unbias and it will help you make the right choices in finding what is best for your sound. Always make good choices...talked to more than one pro (if I need to know about sound...I talk to two or three guys that sell sound equipment so I have as much info as I can; that way I can be sure I am getting exactly what I need.) Find out everything and all things about all your choices. Paul Daniels said it best...there is always more than one way of doing something...and try and research as much of them as possible so that when you walk on stage you know that you are using the best method for you.

So in this tread of..."help me find a good remote sound device that will help me controll my music" Research all of them...so you know what each has...the pros and cons.

I know I did...I researched them all so that when I made my choice I had info about all of them. So for all you people reading this post in it's whole. Just read all you can about all the products out there. Talk to them, know what your getting why your getting it. Then make the best choice for yourself. Have fun and may your show be the best it can be!

Magicially yours
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Hi All,

I thought I would add something here since I have had the opportunity to use both a MiniTech and a Virtual Soundman.

I used a MiniTech for about 6 shows, a year and half ago. It did the job but a few times I pushed the button and nothing happened. Not often though. I don't know if it was intereference or if I screwed up pressing the buttons.


Then a little over a year ago I bought a Virtual Soundman 7 (I think they are up to 7.5 now). I love this system. I have never had a problem with it. The remote (I got the FM upgrade) is great. I clip it on my belt in the front and I never have to fish around for it or have trouble finding the right button. It has worked really well for me.

I bought it originally for my stage show, but now I often hook it up (along with the Minidisk) to a ghetto blaster for my stand-up and close-up shows.

Hope this can help some of you.

Mike D
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