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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Bk.....>>>cf. MRSharpe's note above. I've been tucking in the ends for twenty-five years or more. I've never had to use glue, but as I mentioned above--it can't hurt!
I bought from Frances Marshall, sometime in the 80s, some extra thick rope. It's about 1/2" diameter. I made a couple sets of "Nightmares" from this "thick" rope, then, and have used them for thousanda of shows. On the road, I just tossed them into the laundry bag. They still look like "new". Maybe a half dozen times in those years, a STRAND of the rope would work loose. I just tucked the STRAND back in. (I like to use a finger nail file--the "serrated" (?) surface is great.) When rope became so expensive (cotton prices went UP!)I started doing the T&R paper napkin! (I was raised in the 30s in the Great Depression, so I've always been THRIFTY!) When I get an uncontrollable urge to cut a rope, I use the George Sands method! --I can use two of the pieces of the Nightmare!!! "Everything in my ace "doubles"!!! I still demo the improved version of the old VICTOR C&R in my lecture. Along with the cut move, I demo the "convincer count", which I found in an old SPHINX msgazine, and,the "delayed action steal of the "knot" that Jack CHANIN showed me in 1954. I also demo the Dr.DALEY "knot" that Keith LINGLEY showed me in the early 50s. For years, whenever I got near Forsythe Twine & Cordage (in Georgia)I would stop and buy all their odds n end of rope, cheap! Last time through, they had gone out of business.
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bkmeyer Regular user Greenville, SC 118 Posts |
Thanks for the help, Dick. You're always a fountain of information so I appreciate it. I hadn't thought about not gluing the ends so I will try that the next set I make up. Do you have lecture notes available for the no cut methods you reference? Thanks.
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kekoa1 New user 84 Posts |
Bkmeyer hmmm....never thought of using glue to keep the tuck..well..tucked. I usually have to re-tuck the ends after about 50 or so hand outs for examination before going into my routine. But then again...I usually just retire the set of ropes after they get too soiled from my hands and the hands of others. But I'll definitely give the gluing a try and see what that feels like! Aloha.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Hi kekoa 1! Yes! Clean rope! Some magicians don't seem to realize that "gray", soiled rope is not pleasing to the eye! ("They" AINT GOT NO CLASS!)
I made up several PN sets and just toss the set I've used all week in the laundry bag. My rope props look great after thousands of shows. Hi Bruce Meyer! My Bits & Pieces NOTES don't go into great detail on the rope "stuff". PM me your mailing address (I found a couple copies while cleaning up my storage facility. I'll mail you the page with the "rope notes".) It appears that I should write up in more detail the C&R, the "convincer count", the CHANIN "delayed action knot steal" and the Dr. DALEY "knot", in the book. --Egad! more work!!! I guess it's all Ralph W.Hull's fault! His book "Fifteen Minutes With A Piece Of Rope" caught my imagination back in the late 40s. A year or so later, I was in the Navy, and further realized how practical that rope tricks were. Also, my Boy Scout experiences helped! Later, Stewart James' "Encyclopedia Of Rope Tricks" added immeasurably to the resource file More recently, my friend Pat Page's DVD on "rope" (can't remember the title) and friend Daryl's 3 DVD's on rope have added to the file. Both Daryl and Pat understood how to explain things! Rope (the prop) and rope tricks, answer all my "criteria"! --visual effect, visible prop, versatile effects possible, angle proof tricks, recognizable prop, little, or no, setup-especially at the show site. no table needed, spot adaptable effects, prop packs small & light/effects play big. --Very few props and effects can meet all these criteria! I MAY try to write up "my" NORWEGIAN YOYO, too. (no promises!) I've been getting PMs about it. It's a juggling bit and better shared in person. Only those with great interest will be willing to put in the time needed to learn it. Plus! I'm not sure that I can explain it in print! I'll add Al Baker's line about rope: "Wouldn't it be awful for a magician to be locked up in a room with thousands of feet of nice white rope--and NO SCISSORS!" I'm at the end of my rope............
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MGordonB Loyal user Toronto, Canada 279 Posts |
[quote]On Feb 23, 2014, Dick Oslund wrote:
NYLON ROPE>>>TO SEAL THE ENDS, HOLD OVER A LIT CANDLE. THE NYLON WILL MELT AND CANNOT THEN FRAY OR RAVEL. i have found that using a candle turns the ends of nylon ropes black. I think it's the smoke from the candle flame that does it. Alternatively you might try a butane lighter ( not a Zippo type though). Butane gives off a smokeless flame. |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Or, do as Paul Daniels (The famous magician in the U.K.) does, just leave them fray and have puffy ends on the rope.
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
The slightly blackened ends have never really bothered my work. Although, I don't use nylon in the act. I use it mostly at scout camp when I'm helping scouts learn basic knots.
You could try a "hot knife". I've bought rope at hardware stores and that's what the clerk used to cut my rope from a "bulk" spool of rope. The hot blade melted its way through. I imagine that a hot soldering iron would accomplish that.
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bkmeyer Regular user Greenville, SC 118 Posts |
Dick,
I just noticed your note above about the rope notes so I PM'd you with my address if the notes are still available. Thanks for the kind offer. Bruce Meyer |
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
Hey Bruce!
Your M "arrived"...I'll get back to you ASAP! O
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
I don't know where that funny face came from!!!
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MagiCol Special user Dargaville, New Zealand 929 Posts |
I like the 'cut/melted' ends of my nylon rope to be smooth so when I draw the rope end through my hand/fingers there are no little jagged bits on the end of the rope. So before I melt through the rope to 'cut' it, I make sure I have a smooth hard surface, such as the stainless steel kitchen sink or a small block of wood, available to lay the rope end on. And I have a small block of wood or a knife blade handy also. Once the rope is melted through, quickly lay the end down on the sink and use the block of wood to roll the rope end two or three times. What this does is smooths the ends nicely. Keep this up until the melted nylon has become hard.
On nylon rope if an end is a bit jaggy, once the rope has set firm you can use sharp scissors to cut off any jagged little bits. One important warning when melting nylon rope; The melted nylon is VERY hot and very sticky. Do not let the melted stuff get on your fingers or any part of your body or clothes. It will injure and putting your figers in water to try to minimize the burn is not very effective. Far better to not get burnt. I've sometimes not been careful enough, ending up with melted nylon burning its way into my skin. Do not get your fingers and the melted nylon making contact! If you are going to get nylon rope cut to length at the retailer by them using the hot blade, I'd advise you to take some scissors with you and get an o.k. from the seller, before you order your lenght of rop, to cut off with your scissors a short bit of maybe eight inches of rope and strip the centre out of it to see how much that alters the flexibity amnd the roundess of the rope. If you then decide to strip the rope then get the length you wamt measured and cut off with the scissors, then strip the centre out of the rope. Then get the seller to melt-cut the rope several inches from the ends, discarding the wasted couple of inches. I once bought some thickish rope, stripped it, then found that the rope was more a flattened rope than a round one. So do a test of a bit of stripped rope to see that retains its roundness.
The presentation makes the magic.
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