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I know this term is thrown about quite a bit. "Luck" is the term I am speaking of. Most of us like to say we never rely on it, and while that is true it is also impossible to deny the value of luck.

Often I am offended when people look at our situation and tell us we are "lucky". While it is easy to look at the result of 20 plus years of very hard work and think they are "lucky" to be where they are, it overlooks the 20 plus years of work. That is sort of offensive. Luck is pretty random. Not the point though.

The point I am trying to make is that there are times when I am lucky for lack of a better term. We have had our same client for over 8 years now. Nothing more to really prove, we work close with the owner and our body of work in the industry speaks for itself. The reviews are clear and the next 5 years are set in motion. So it is not as if we need "luck" to move us forward.

BUT this year already it has been pretty funny. My client has come to see two of the shows in two different countries. Each time he showed up the show that he got to see was the absolute BEST possible representation of the show it could have been. One getting a standing ovation. (Which does NOT happen as often as I would like.)

He just as easily could have shown up two nights early where the show was quite mediocre! So suffice as to say "luck" does happen. It might not be why we have the job, it might not be why we keep the job but it certainly does happen.

Ok flame away.
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My manager likes to say "Luck happens by design," which is just a more concise way of saying "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." There's no denying that luck plays a role in success. But there's something to be said for putting yourself in the best possible position to be lucky. It's almost never *pure chance*.
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Of course. And if the show wasn't ready it would have not gotten the reaction and so forth. But the timing of his arrival at those particular shows was pretty close to "pure chance".
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Luck definitely plays a part, but it cuts both ways. In the long run, it probably evens out.
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This is a very deep subject, and I get frustrated when I think about it.
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Circumstances do not make a man, they reveal him ---James Allen

I guess this is how I’ve always felt on the issue. If one truly wants to be successful, he will eventually get the lucky break he’s been looking for. The bad luck that comes along before the fact is necessary to shape him, prepare him, and refine him, so that when the luck finally comes, he is ready.

The opposite is true as well. What good is a lucky break when you are not prepared for it? It will pass you by like morning dreams fade away.

What I’m trying to say is that ‘good’ luck only comes to those who are prepared for it, and ‘bad’ luck shapes us for better or for worse.

I still feel frustrated.
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It about creating the situation to bring desire results...

If you want to win a jackpot, you will not win if you are at home, you need to go to the casino.
IF you want to network and book more shows, if you go to a social mixer for event planners and producers, you are more likely to be booked.

You create your own luck!

But, I agree with Danny, sometimes the timing is just perfected!
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Luck is when all the things you've been working on comes together with circumstances outside your control to create a great situation. The more you work towards something, the greater your odds that this symmetry will occur. However, if your work has no chance of working with the outside world, that "luck" will never happen so some changes and adjustments may be needed.

I find "lucky" to be a word used by those who haven't made things happen for themselves. Really an unhelpful topic from my perspective. Luck isn't counted on or considered. It's only talked about in hindsight - especially when the work leading up to "luck" was not seen or appreciated.
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I agree, Scott. People will sometimes say something like, "Go ahead and try it ... you might just get lucky." But the fact is, by TRYING something you are putting yourself in a position that "luck" can occur. Yes, a lot of people have been "lucky" in that there may be countless others with the same skills and abilities who are not as successful. Nevertheless, you have to make the decision to move forward for that "luck" to occur.
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I've always been lucky about things that had nothing to do with my actions.

The Country and Family I was born in, my early health, finding my Sig. Other, etc… There are times when I feel a little guilty about it (but not too guilty).

We should not kid ourselves that our happy positions in life are all based on our merits.

Preparation, attitude, how you proceed from "failure" and lots of other factors are really important but don't kid yourself. Luck is a hugh force in your life.

I've heard "Chance favors only the prepared mind." (Louis Pasteur) but I've had more than my share of dumb luck inspiration as well.

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Flip a coin, if it comes up heads you will have good luck tomorrow. If it comes up tails, you will need to flip again tomorrow. Tomorrow, double your bet, because the odds are in you favor now. If you lose again, luck is really in your favor now, keep betting, keep flipping.

My point is, there is as much good luck out there as there is bad luck. One must keep looking until they find it.

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Yea, life is one long "That's good..., no that's bad..., no that's good…" joke.

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LOL

Sort of is oh. We can pick up the good and kick away the bad.

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On Feb 27, 2014, TomBoleware wrote:
Flip a coin, if it comes up heads you will have good luck tomorrow. If it comes up tails, you will need to flip again tomorrow. Tomorrow, double your bet, because the odds are in you favor now. If you lose again, luck is really in your favor now, keep betting, keep flipping.

My point is, there is as much good luck out there as there is bad luck. One must keep looking until they find it.

Tom


The odds in your example don't change Tom. No matter how many times it comes up tails, the next day's chance is still 50%. Same with "luck" and "odds" in life, the amount of bad luck in your past doesn't predict that you will have a great chance for good luck in the future. It's about what you do to change things around.

The phrase "there is as much good luck out there as there is bad luck" makes no sense to me. How did you determine this? Mind you, this simply doesn't fit with my view. I see "luck" as determined by action rather than some kind of pre-existence.
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Marilyn: My uncle once told me about a warrior who had a fine stallion. Everybody said how lucky he was to have such a horse. “Maybe,” he said. One day the stallion ran off. The people said the warrior was unlucky. “Maybe,” he said. Next day, the stallion returned, leading a string of fine ponies. The people said it was very lucky. “Maybe,” the warrior said. Later, the warrior’s son was thrown from one of the ponies and broke his leg. The people said it was unlucky. “Maybe,” the warrior said. The next week, the chief led a war party against another tribe. Many young men were killed. But, because of his broken leg, the warrior’s son was left behind, and so was spared.
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On Feb 28, 2014, Scott Burton wrote:
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On Feb 27, 2014, TomBoleware wrote:
Flip a coin, if it comes up heads you will have good luck tomorrow. If it comes up tails, you will need to flip again tomorrow. Tomorrow, double your bet, because the odds are in you favor now. If you lose again, luck is really in your favor now, keep betting, keep flipping.

My point is, there is as much good luck out there as there is bad luck. One must keep looking until they find it.

Tom


The odds in your example don't change Tom. No matter how many times it comes up tails, the next day's chance is still 50%. Same with "luck" and "odds" in life, the amount of bad luck in your past doesn't predict that you will have a great chance for good luck in the future. It's about what you do to change things around.

The phrase "there is as much good luck out there as there is bad luck" makes no sense to me. How did you determine this? Mind you, this simply doesn't fit with my view. I see "luck" as determined by action rather than some kind of pre-existence.


Scott, I may be misreading Tom, but I think he would agree with you that the odds don't really change. As I read it, he's saying that whether luck is good or bad depends on how you choose to see it.

Of course I could be wrong.
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Exactly what I'm saying Christophercarte. Thanks.


You only lose when you stop flipping. So what if it comes up tails today, and while the odds may not change for each flip, the reality is that it will not keep coming up tails as long as you keep flipping. A Heads up is always closer than you think.


The odds are always good, unless of course you using a two sided coin. Smile


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The phrasing was confusing. I'm still not sure if we agree but we may. Confusion is inevitable when discussing loosely defined terms.
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This whole subject is confusing and frustrating. But I'm pretty sure I don't agree with Mary (although I usually do).

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On Feb 27, 2014, Mary Mowder wrote:
We should not kid ourselves that our happy positions in life are all based on our merits.

Preparation, attitude, how you proceed from "failure" and lots of other factors are really important but don't kid yourself. Luck is a huge force in your life.


When you say luck is a 'huge' force I think you're going overboard a little.

And then, no one has brought up what God brings to this equation, which I'm sure will send this conversation into a hopeless state of irreconcilable difference.
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Relying on "luck" has the same practical consequences of relying on "God". The reality of either has no consequence on my actions. If some other force is working for my benefit, then I'll consider that an unexpected bonus. Similar to relying on others to make you successful - don't count on it regardless of how many friends and supporters you have. Responsibility is within you.
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