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55Hudson Special user Minneapolis 984 Posts |
Again, I believe anything you want to know about magic is available to the moderately dedicated researcher already.
The problem with easy information on the internet isn't necessarily someone that enjoys magic, but rather the one at the end if the table who is searching on their smart phone while you are doing a trick and then blurts out the secret, ruining it for everyone else enjoying the show. Hudson |
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longhaired1 Veteran user Salida 316 Posts |
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On Mar 5, 2014, Salieri wrote: The challenge with this thread is that you are using terms that are already defined then adding your own definitions. Some of the things I've read thus far about open source and free software are simply not accurate. Makes it tough to contribute to the conversation if definitions haven't been agreed upon yet. Jonathan Townsend summed up my feelings nicely; "I don't understand your question. Kindly state your case.". |
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Salieri New user 11 Posts |
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On Mar 6, 2014, 55Hudson wrote: That's a very good point. I haven't thought about the *** smartphones. Did you had such a case? I sometimes get the usual "I know how you've done that". (Edit: Rly? This word is blocked? it's not even a swearword. xD) Quote:
On Mar 6, 2014, longhaired1 wrote: Unfortunately I don't understand why the question is not understandable. Maybe like this?: Would you think free access to all magic tricks and gimmicks would speed up the creation of new tricks/gimmicks? Why?/Why not? What would be the disadvantages of this? Are they more important than research? Why?/Why not? Would newbies had a easier start if everything would be available for free (on the internet)? Why?/Why not? (And by everything I really mean everything. Let's pretend copyright were no problem.) Is that any better? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
It would just contribute to the further trivialization of the art. Do you honestly believe that creators and writers aren't entitled to compensation for their work? Or that the secrets of our art should be free to anyone for the asking?
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Michael Daniels Inner circle Isle of Man 1609 Posts |
Bob is right - it would trivialize and ultimately destroy the art. The illusions magicians create depend on concealment, the primary purpose of which is to enable audiences to be entertained. Without concealment, magical performances are banal and meaningless or, at best, mere juggling (skilful but not at all mysterious).
Concealing magical methods from our AUDIENCES is therefore essential. Open access to information would make this impossible. Mike |
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longhaired1 Veteran user Salida 316 Posts |
The fundamental flaw in the proposal is that magic, in my opinion, doesn't suffer from a lack of new effects and gimmicks.
Also, the process by which we learn magic is as important as the knowledge of "how things work". By way of example, if I had the opportunity to take Pop Haydn to lunch to try and learn the secrets of his success, how he pulls off his effects would not even come up. That is not where the gold lies. Part of your evolution as a magician will include the discovery, someday, that methods, new effects and gimmicks aren't going to be the secret to your success. That elusive effect that will make you a great magician doesn't exist. Or more precisely, it probably already exists. Your challenge is to find it and turn it into something truly magical. The knowledge of how to do that is something that can be discussed openly without giving away any "secrets". Respectfully, you're doing what most beginning magicians do. You're focusing on the wrong thing. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
It's interesting that the OP only joined the Café on February 28th and that ALL eight of his posts were on this topic.
I hope he wasn't just looking for a like-minded individual to "trade" eBooks and DVD copies with. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Bob, as described on a different thread there's much available that does not require any "trade" to acquire. Open Source/Open Access is a creative commons thing and it's not designed to support our magic shop market.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I know that Jonathan. The OP, though, seemed to be taking the position that ALL magic works should be open access. Creative Commons requires the consent of the author.
But, like I said, the OP seems to have either given up or has found the folks he was looking for. |
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