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DAK
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Dear All,

I'm wondering what peoples opinions are of using a solid cup (some poeple call it a "kicker" cup) as climax to cups and balls. Preferably people who have seen or used them and what the reactions were. Currently I end with production of balls and use Bob Reads "engaged spectator" ending. I have all the cups examined at the begining and let spectator lift cup to produce fianl load. I used a solid cup with my (non magical) wife (hey she's magical to me! but you know what I mean!) and she was blown away, I was really surprised with her reaction and how strong effect was.
However alot of magicians say it's not a good way to close with a "lay" audience.
Any advice, experience or feedback most welcome

Kindest Regards

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In one word... WHY?

when working for more than one person such things just bring the show to a dead stop as people want to inspect the prop.
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I think the solid cup climax is good but only if the appearance of it at the end makes sense in the story line you are presenting. If you are going to all the trouble of secretly exchanging a real cup with a gaffed, one why not have a load in it such as the pile of tea leaves in Paul Gertner's Tea Party (Steel and Silver), or switch an upright cup for one filled with liquid, or a small botania, or some little animal etc. The solid cup ending can be strong if it ties together with the story you are telling about the cups. Smile
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Paul Harris developed "Beany Weany" several years ago and it was very popular and didn't require an exchange for that single cup routine.

I've performed another 'solid cup' routine, but again, it only used one cup.

In a multiple cup routine, I guess for me, the question is why not all three cups? I agree with Larry, the action has to be consistent with the presentation.
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A single cup for the solid is the way to go. To do one of three maybe not the best.

Jason Latimer winds up with all three of his glass cups SOLID at the end... of course it won him the World Championship, so you know he did it well.
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Never heard of the Jason Latimer version, hope I get the chance to see that routine, it has my mind thinking since reading Pete's post.

I agree with Pete. To do one of three might not be the answer. But for one kicker cup I would probably produce the standard 3 final loads then have the 4th final load be the kicker cup for the close. I'd turn the middle cup (for example) mouth up, set an orange on it and walk off not saying a word.


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Thanks for your help folks, any tips on switching cups at the end?
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Easy. Doing the three cup routine, put one away and do a two cup sequence... "so you can follow" you tell the speckies... "Now just one cup" put another aside in your case.

Then bring the two back out, but one is a solid lump.

"Now for the big three cup finish" or some such dumb statement to get back into the swing and the rest is history.

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On 2004-01-06 21:35, Steven Steele wrote:
Paul Harris developed "Beany Weany" several years ago and it was very popular and didn't require an exchange for that single cup routine.

I've performed another 'solid cup' routine, but again, it only used one cup.

In a multiple cup routine, I guess for me, the question is why not all three cups? I agree with Larry, the action has to be consistent with the presentation.


Actually, if I'm not mistaken, Lonnie Chevrie came out with this concept of using a sealed can before anyone else. He used a can of pudding and a golf ball. At the end, he opened the can of pudding and took the golf ball out of it. This was STRONG!

He ate a LOT of pudding.

I recall one other item that came out in 1974 that used a solid wooden cone. I cannot remember who made it or marketed it, but it used the basic moves from the Dai Vernon "Ball, Cone and Handkerchief." It may have been the precursor to all of these routines like this.

I saw it at the IBM Convention in Little Rock. That was the year Terry Seabrooke made his US debut.
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Little Rock, what a lot of fun that was. I did the multiplying bottles on my KNEES because the jerk that booked the talent had two of us do the "legs table" so after it was done I figured the only way was to have ALL FOUR LEGS fall off and do the routine on my knees.

It killed. And also Killed my brand new velvet pants, wore through both knees... but it did get the laughs.

OK, it was Tagagi who had the wooden solid cup. Two versions. One you could unscrew and inside was the ball. I have both somewhere here in my famed storage bins.
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Yes. Sid Lorraine was still with us then. What a nice man he was!

It was a wonderful convention, even with some of the odd booking concepts.
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Loren Steinhauer and Gary Wolfsberger and Robbie Millman had solid wooden cone and ball routines in the 70's. These pre-dated the cans I believe. Pete?

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Gary Wolfsberger was the one I was thinking of who had the solid wooden cones at the 1974 convention.

Yes, he is the one who actually inspired all of the routines with the cans.

Thanks, Kirk!
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If it's the same routine than the one performed in 1974, Gary Wolfsberger published in 1976 (through a "Magic Emporium" in Tarzana CA) a 9 pages routine called Wolfsberger's Chop Cup and Ball Routine
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Gary's Chop Cup routine was much different from his Solid cone effect. His Chop Cup Routine used a stanard Chop Cup.
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I do a solid kicker at the end of my three cup routine (I start off by telling the audience to always focus on the center cup, which is switched out for the false one at the end.) Gets great reactions and I pass it around the table. I love ending with it and people always comment on how heavy it is which is great.
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Andrew : Have you done a video of it? YouTube perhaps? Would love to see your routine.
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The routine that, for me at least, defines the solid cup concept is the one that Shawn Farquhar performs. He ends with THREE SOLID CUPS.

He has been adamant about keeping the routine off of Youtube. He doesn't want anyone to steal it. I don't blame him. It's WAAYYY too good for anyone else to do at this point. Maybe someday in the distant future, he will market it.
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I don't have a video of mine at the moment aside from what I use for rehearsal purposes, mainly because cups and balls routines are so easy to reverse engineer. However I'd be happy to email you a private link! Shoot me a PM if you'd like.
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