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Mike Ince
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Excellent use of your imagination for presentation, Stephon. I still think that if the people you perform for are uncomfortable with cards, using only one card as opposed to a whole deck won't make much of a difference. "He touched and used one of those evil cards! Even worse... he made me imagine a whole deck of the foul things before we mentally burned them, but now I can't get those foul cards out of my head!"

I know the feeling I get when I hear about silly superstitions is to shout, "Don't be stupid!", but I wonder if it applies that I should "accept the one whose faith is weak, without passing judgement"? It is frustrating when you feel you can't do what you love to do because someone is holding you back with their ignorance.

Imagine performing this in a church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfXiUXKR_fY There's no doubt in my mind you couldn't put it in your show without great outcry unless you explained the workings of it. The same visceral response is felt by some people when playing cards come out. Now... if you use a stack of photographs instead of cards you might achieve the effect you want without causing offense (at least until something unexplainable happens).
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Mike,
I agree with you totally, I was just tossing out an idea that occurred to me while reading the thread. I personally have never performed for any individual or group that was opposed to playing cards. Blessings!
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Shoot, I've performed for churches that were offended by simple, innocent sponge balls, let alone playing cards! Yup. Never got to the cards in that church, because they cut my performance short when I caused a sponge ball to disappear and reappear in a girl's hand.

Nevertheless, I love the "Inferno" idea!
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Card Phobia aside: I'm definitely not suggesting this routine as a kid show offering. I have always been a fan of Eugene Burger and his philosophy around scripting routines that draw audiences in, and deal with their questions, fears, doubts, and such. I really want to "up the ante" with Christian Magic to create routines that make people think and learn and wonder. So much of what is labelled "Gospel Magic" either elicits a "so what?" Yawn, Or a "it's just for kids" reaction. We should be able to create great "theater" and elicit "oh wow!" Reactions that help to stick Biblical principles, proverbs, doctrines and such in people's memory! Oh whoa!...how'd I get up here on this Soap Box? Hahaha. Blessings!
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I agree wholeheartedly that Gospel magic needs to get with the times. We're in a new generation. What worked for yesterday's generation was tailored to them, no? We can't expect to reach the 2014 generation with a 1950's approach.

Times change. We need to also, while still staying within the Lord's parameters. This could take serious prayer!
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I am encouraged by this thread. My approach to gospel magic has been different than that of the "gospel magic" section in a brick/mortar. I have been spending a couple of years developing some gospel routines that hopefully resonate with our current climate and generation. Ironically, some using blank playing cards with different words printed on their faces. I suppose that opens a whole new discussion.
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I remember years ago considering gospel magic, but saw some standard gospel magic effects, and was turned off from the outset because the effects I saw were an insult to people's intelligence.
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(Well, let's see if I kill THIS thread...)

I have the same issue. It used to really be tough to find good stuff, but I think the best effects can ALL be routined for Gospel! Well, maybe not the Zombie. Ha! I found that out first hand. Floating things in general...yeah, I wouldn't in a church setting.

But I'm looking at my display shelf and every one of these could be used to tell a Gospel Story! Viking's "Chang's Dowry" for example. Tannen's "Enchanted Block". A beautiful, hand-turned wooden "Ball & Vase". These each have a role they could play.

My bet is, you have a massive collection of Magic. All you guys. I mean even Strat-O-Spheres could be used! Smile

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All we need to do is use the imagination God gave us!
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Agree, I don't look for gospel magic, I look for good magic and then work on a presentation if I want to use it for a lesson.
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Use Gospel ABC cards if it fits the religion of the church you are performing for.
http://www.darlingdoodlesdesign.com/2011/07/gospel-abcs.html
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On Mar 25, 2014, Dynamike wrote:
Use Gospel ABC cards if it fits the religion of the church you are performing for.
http://www.darlingdoodlesdesign.com/2011/07/gospel-abcs.html


I couldn't get that link to work. Here's one that should: http://www.darlingdoodlesdesign.com//?s=abc

The deck is produced for use by those of the Mormon persuasion.

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Thanks for letting us know. Your highlighted link will not take us to the exact page unless the whole url is Copied and Pasted. I do not know if it is doing this because of the website or because of the new changes on The Magic Café.
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While there is certainly nothing sinful about a deck of 52 playing cards, many people see them as “tools of the devil.”


ROFLMAO!!! Forgive me friends. My GOSH are people ignorant! Everything focusing on the DEVIL. Cards, Porn, Drugs/Alcohol. Good grief. Believe me The Devil does not need TOOLS! We are so misinformed. Misguided. Paranoid.

Tools of The Devil? Really? CARDS??? Bwahhh hahahaha! I don't gamble. Whether it's a "sin" or not, I just don't like it. You wanna gamble? GO for it! Far be it from me...but I digress...

Gambling is an addiction. Casinos are full of "addicts". Mainly slot machines. Are THEY of The Devil?? No. They're freakin' MACHINES! The ADDICTION might be an evil INFLUENCE though! Those evil spirits DO broadcast ATTITUDES and try to INFLUENCE you, though! You can say "no".

These "sensitive" people are just not educated. They were led down a FALSE path as so many religions do. However, I no longer perform magic for churches or church groups. There is too much ignorance and stupidity. I am not pointing fingers at anyone. I have had some VERY bad experiences that taught me that not ALL Christians are "enlightend". Including myself... Smile

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Hey, you COULD go the opposite way just to have a bit of fun...bring a tarot deck and Ouija Board (rigged) and with a bit of IT, I bet you could CLEAR the place in about ten seconds! When stuff starts floating and flying, start speaking in tongues and fall on the floor and roll your eyes around.

Then suddenly sit up and point at somebody, eyes wide with insanity! "YOU! You're NEXT! Ha hahahaha!..."

Think that might be entertaining? Ha haaa! Yeah. That one time, maybe! I doubt you'd be invited back! Smile

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Doug, I think you are asking to be burned at the stake. Seriously, man.

But I do recall years ago being in K-mart or something, and I was purchasing a pack of Bikes to practice with. Well, there happened to be some church people there, and they saw me with the cards. Their eyes got wide with horror, and they said ".Brother! You don't need to be buying cards! They are a tool of the devil!"
Ok. Whatever. Thank-you for the instruction in righteousness.
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Doug , I just had another idea for you since you're going to go that route. Remember an effect years ago where you supposedly read a letter from Lizzie Bordon, and during the reading your voice becomes deeper and louder as you become "possessed " by the. spirit of Lizzie, and then it culminates with you slamming your hand down on the paper and it leaves a bloody red handlrint?

I mean if you're going to get burned at the stake, you might as well do it right. Go out in a blaze of glory.
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I know, right? LOL! Could be VERY entertaining! Tools of the Devil. And NO sense of humor! Unreal...

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I can't recall who did the following. Can you?

Instead of pick pocketing. The magician loaded items.
Like finding a deck of cards in a pastors pocket. The description also included the caveat to be wise in who you used as that volunteer.

I am not trying to disrespect those that have those beliefs. This section is not to argue theology and to further the art of Gospel magic.

Trying hard not to judge others whose sins are different than mine.
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