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I want to write a research paper about"the most important thing in magic is performance or skill", do you guys have some books about this topic can recommend to me£¿
I think "Magic and Showmanship" is good? What is your opinion?
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Darwin Ortiz "Strong Magic"

Henning-Nelms "Magic and Showmanship"

Al Schneider "The Theory and Practice of Magic Deception"
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On Mar 18, 2014, Tree wrote:
Darwin Ortiz "Strong Magic"

Henning-Nelms "Magic and Showmanship"

Al Schneider "The Theory and Practice of Magic Deception"

good recommendation. Thanks.
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I would substitute the word "presentation' for the word "performance' since a performance of skill is just jugglery. If you can find Magic and Meaning by Eugene Burger and Robert Neale that would be a good resource and maybe Beyond Tricks by Jay Sankey. It all dependent on what you want to say. If you are trying to develop a thesis that identifies one or the other as being most important you will probably find that they go hand in hand. A successful magician, in the sense of performance, melds entertaining presentation with skillful execution.
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Presentation outweighs performance & skill.

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I would substitute the word "presentation' for the word "performance' since a performance of skill is just jugglery. If you can find Magic and Meaning by Eugene Burger and Robert Neale that would be a good resource and maybe Beyond Tricks by Jay Sankey. It all dependent on what you want to say. If you are trying to develop a thesis that identifies one or the other as being most important you will probably find that they go hand in hand. A successful magician, in the sense of performance, melds entertaining presentation with skillful execution.

Yeaaah, good suggestion. I want to say both of them are important.
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Presentation outweighs performance & skill.

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Thanks for your opinion.
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Maximum Entertainment by Ken Weber. And "Magic in mind" by Joshua Jay.
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Maximum Entertainment by Ken Weber. And "Magic in mind" by Joshua Jay.
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Are there some books think skill is more important than presentation?
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Edward Maurice--"SHOWMANSHIP & PRESENTATION". It's a good thing I has some showmanship, because I never had no skill. I asked the man at the magic shop, but he told me that he was out of stock..
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Edward Maurice--"SHOWMANSHIP & PRESENTATION". It's a good thing I has some showmanship, because I never had no skill. I asked the man at the magic shop, but he told me that he was out of stock..

Haha. interesting story, thanks for your opinion.
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If I was grading the paper, I'd require more drill-down on what it is you want to convey. What is it that you argue for? "The most important thing" as Houdini is lowered into the water upside down, chained, and in a padlocked box may be very very different than "the most important thing" I would do at a bar table n front of three drunks.

Most important from who's perspective? The performer's? The audience's?

I'm not intending to be argumentative, just helpful.
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Maximum Entertainment - Ken Weber
Strong Magic - Darwin Ortiz
Magic and Showmanship - Henning-Nelm
The Theory and Practice of Magic Deception - Al Schneider
Magic and Meaning - Eugene Burger and Robert Neale
Beyond Tricks - Jay Sankey
Magic in mind - Joshua Jay.
SHOWMANSHIP & PRESENTATION - Edward Maurice
Get Your Act Together - Joanie Spina
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All of above mention are great
I also want to add Magic of Ascanio Vol.1
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I would certainly stay away from any of my books. They are definitely not for you.
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I agree with Harry!
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Just off the top of my head ...

Maybe, as already noted, you need to think about the term 'important'. You might consider audience: for example, fellow magicians and lay spectators might have different tastes to skill v performance ratio. Or consider the difference between a kids show and a gambling demo.

Perhaps you could survey a boatload of working magicians.

You could even do comparative tests between high skill, low presentation vs low skill, high presentation with audience survey follow-up on which they prefer. Hire a professional magician and devise two scripts. Same person, same situation, similar tricks, similar demographic - but one script has highly technical effects and poor patter and is to be presented poorly, the other is virtually skill-less but with the best patter and presentation. Ask audience for ratings after each show. Do a load of shows, compare results.
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