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7th_Son Elite user Australia 437 Posts |
Here is a good reason why you should beware of strong magnets.
Look at the bottom picture. Now imagine the pencil is your finger. http://www.wondermagnet.com/crush.html
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treysdaddy New user 92 Posts |
I guess a finger crushing IS worse than erasing the magnetic strip on my parking garage exit tickets.
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Rob Johnston Inner circle Utah 2060 Posts |
I will never look at my Raven the same way.
"Genius is another word for magic, and the whole point of magic is that it is inexplicable." - Margot Fonteyn
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Seriously, on a related note, I wonder if there are any health concerns with wearing a Pro PK type magnet for long periods of time?
And how easily does one of these wipe out the magnetic strip on credit cards and the like ... do they just need to be near a wallet containing such a card or do they need to be right against the card itself? I suppose I could test it, but I'd rather not
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Xia Loyal user London, England 286 Posts |
I've quite often found my raven stuck to the back of my Mobile Phone (not good at all!!)
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Highpockets New user Dearborn, MI 55 Posts |
Magnets are considered a form of healing and pain control by many people. Look at the pain relief section of your local drug store and you will see magnets there. It is a huge industry in Japan and becoming more popular here.
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dreidy Regular user Sydney, Australia 156 Posts |
They are often found on the shelves next to the snake oil. All my strong magnets came with warnings, not suggestions for health benefits.
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JamesCheung Loyal user London, UK 214 Posts |
These things can be dangerous. I accidentally left my Raven X2 on top of my wallet over the holidays and my cards got wiped. Spent the next three days with no credit cards and no cash - Not good.....
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
I would agree that strong magnets are more likely to be detrimental than beneficial to our health.
My father worked in a meat packing plant, and he used to bring home strong magnets that were fed to cows in order to attract and get rid of metallic trash like nails and staples that would get into their feed and end up in their stomachs. I remember some of his friends and relatives would ask for these magnets so that they could sleep with one under their pillows for health reasons. Who knows how these this ideas get started. I suspect that the only good effect the magnets can have on our health is as a placebo.
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Highpockets New user Dearborn, MI 55 Posts |
They sell horse blankets with magnets in them because they have been found to be benificial for the horse. How can an animal exhibit a placebo effect?
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Have these horse blanket magnets really been found to be beneficial in a scientifically designed study, or are you just reporting advertiser's unsubstantiated claims? I looked this up on the Intenet and, frankly, these claims appear to be pretty hokey ...
Anyway, it does not have to be a placebo effect. Any benefits (assuming for the sake of argument that there are benefits) could be due to confounding or confusion of effects. For example, horse owners / trainers who are likely to use magnets may simply be more likely to spend money on other treatments for their animals that have proven beneficial effects. Or, the trainer who is likely to use magnets may simply "believe" the magnets work and the animals may pick up and respond to this "positivity" (I'm sure there is a better word, but I can't think of one offhand).
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Shadowzen New user 69 Posts |
As a medical researcher, I am suspicious of anything sold for health reasons that has not received FDA approval. I am particularly skeptical of the medical value of magnets because I know how they are marketed in the US - it is essentially a pyramid scheme where the primary buyers of "medical magnets" are people who think they can make more money by getting medical magnet sellers underneath them. I have spoken with over a dozen physicians about them and all of them except one that was selling them for personal profit, felt that their only medical benefits were a placebo effect.
As a magician, you've probably been taken in at least once by false or misleading advertising... don't expect to be treated any better by the health care industry, which has a proven track record of unethical conduct. |
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Highpockets New user Dearborn, MI 55 Posts |
Shadozen,
You are right about unethical behavior in the health industry. The health industry establishment, the drug companies and the FDA all have a vested interest ($) in keeping alternative methods away from consumers. When something new comes along, yell, "Scam" and, when it works, write it off as a "placebo effect" This reminds me of the controversy over chirorpractic years ago. They were accused of being quacks and charalatens. (And yes, there were a number of unethical chiropractors who gave the rest a bad name). Now chiropractic is an accepted form of health care. If the medical establishment and the FDA had their way, drugs and surgery would be the only forms of treatment. Maybe your research should include actually talking to people who have been helped by some of these other methods. I guess we've gotten a bit off topic here |
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MacGyver Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1419 Posts |
I think the whole things come from the SCIENCE.... Magnets have no effect on a human body....
Drugs work because they change the chemistry of the body, chiropractic therapy works because it massage's the muscles and relieves tension from sore places. Magnets only effect ferrous materials and we don't have any in our body. Some may say the iron in our blood, but that isn't enough nor do the magnets actually pull on the iron in the blood.... If you did you would see SOME medical effects from it. Right now it is all placebo, after you "treat" a person for a medical condition, the only effect is that MAYBE "they get better". There is no change in the iron of the blood, or the chemistry, or any ACTUAL change, the only thing that might change is that they "get better" or "feel better" which can all be attributed to placebo's. Just because people think magnets are "mystical" or "magical" or whatever else, most likely from their lack of understanding, doesn't give them some magical quality to heal you without actually affecting your body. I do have to say that I still support selling them to people, because placeboes do really help people, and to them it might be the only way to get better... let them spend their money, they aren't wasting it if they feel that they get better because of the magnets. I just strap a rock on my left ankle and it lets me live a lot longer and wards off all kinds of diseases and stuff. -Erik PS I'll be selling my rocks on eBay for only $200 dollars. |
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Maestro Special user 810 Posts |
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On 2004-01-15 14:34, Highpockets wrote: Most of the times these “alternative methods” really are scams though! There are always people trying to sell various vitamins, healing herbs, or other products claiming them to be a sort of "cure-all" for anything from arthritis to cancer. Not all alternative methods are complete scams, but many of them are. As somebody else mentioned, the placebo effect is a very real phenomenon, which is responsible for fueling some of these medicinal fads. |
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ellisd Veteran user Sacramento 329 Posts |
Walked by my tv not realizing that I had my pro pk magnet on and now needless to say my screen is filled with a wonderland of beautiful colors.Cool huh
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Missy_Magic New user Australia 40 Posts |
I got two strong magnets either side of my ear AND THEY HURT!!!!!
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Lagrange New user 78 Posts |
After I had my watch degaussed I dropped magnets entirely.
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7th_Son Elite user Australia 437 Posts |
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On 2004-01-15 20:32, MacGyver wrote: Actually, I had a small, strong magnet taped to my finger for a few hours. When I took it off, there was a small bright red bruise underneath the magnet. The magnet attracts the iron from the blood. I've heard of others having the same experience. There might be something to magnet therapy. Don't dismiss it just because most doctors don't promote it. Remember, doctors get "kick backs" for prescribing medication, but nothing for advising alternative therapies. Money talks.
"Here's to our wives and girlfriends...may they never meet!" - Groucho Marx
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
So what? If I wrap an elastic band around my finger for a few minutes, my finger turns blue. Wow.
I guess I should market elastic band therapy as an exciting new alternative health therapy and get rich. Doctors seem afraid or reluctant to promote elastic band therapy ... hence, I must be on to something!
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