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I have an effect where a Bloody bone appears in the spectators hand. It is of course dryed blood. My question is how does one go about Coloring or dying a bone. Tried paint it looked awful.
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You might try coating the bone with paint & then rubbing it off. I aged a skull by doing that with brown paint & ashes.
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Cool idea. I thought of dunking it in Stain too.
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In his marvellous book, The Practitioner, Gene Poinc gives his method for coloring bones:
Use several coats of diluted acrylic paint and rub the paint off between coats until you get the desired shade.
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Don't forget to soak the bone in spirit vinegar so it is more liable to get it into the shape you want.
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there should be a p in front of liable
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Just a question (may be a silly question) :
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Why don't you use real old bones and pig blood (buy a steak). It will look realistic ? No ? And you will have the smell too !
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If you can get pig blood out of a steak, you really ARE doing magic! Smile
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Peter... You'd be surprised what they're doing with genetic engineering over in France nowadays...

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This whole issue proves I'm in the right place... besides, Peter's here... that's always a good sign!

I've used coffee, tea, shoe polish and furniture/wood stain... it all depends on the kind of color, texture, etc. you're after... rubbing pasts (like sealing wax for hot-wax stamps/seals) works fairly well too.

IN regards to the use of "real" blood or body fluids... it's a BIO-HAZARD and you'll be doing well not to have some jerk complain about using a "real" bone vs. an overpriced plaster or fiberglass one... that is, if you are dealing with the American born panzy society... (sorry, I have to call a spade a spade and most American's are wennies when it comes to "reality"...) Now if you're working a "3rd World Country" yuo might get lynched for not using the real thing... go figure!
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Of course, I was joking when I mentionned a Steack !…

But the previous message is very interesting because I think it highlights a very specific differents of culture between some american « bizarre-magician » and Old Europe ones : The credibility of magic.

In fact, people consider I’m a « Bizarre-Magician » because my show is 2/3 story and 1/3 « magic ». But I consider myself more as a Storyteller. And in my show, all the difficulty is to find REAL Antics, Real Stories, and Real means to make people doubt. Goth Darkness is not my cup of tea, I prefer story of everyday’s magic. These grandmother’s stories which make us doubt of reality, or dream of another one…
So, I try (it’s very difficult but I try) to admit that I’m a magician, a real one, like Merlin, the time of the show. And all the antics, and my researches to built credible stories go in that way. It’s like a good coin vanish : If you don’t believe yourself that the coin is in your right hand while you hold it in your left one… don’t expect your spectator to believe in your trick.

So, why don’t we do the same with bizarre magic ? Why do we kill our Quest (the magic atmosphere), by presenting things so obviously artificial that they destroy magic ?
Why, use plastic bones, plastic skull, and all a stuff that make a show closer to an « Haloween Party » than real magic ? If we believe we have a story to built which needs items that may shock our audience, we have to make a choice : On the one hand we can forget this story… and on the other hand, we believe in this story, we believe this story can carry an emotion, so we give it all the real stuff it requires. But I think ridiculous to tone down the impact by using artificial props people can’t believe in. If you use real objects, YOU know they are real, so you can believe in what you are doing : Magic.

And French People aren’t more gullible than americans ! They know they are spectators of a show. But your scientific culture is hard to put aside. And that is our job to give the spectator the desire to put this rationalism aside. That the difference between a good movie and a bad one. Blairwitch Project is a frightening movie for a lot of people because it plays on our primary fears and real and simple props. We play the game, and believe in this story the time of the movie even if we know it’s only a movie.

I really apologise for all the mistakes, but I understand English better than I write it.
And I’m not saying « Don’t do that but do that», because that’s only my opinion. But this forum seems to be tolerant so I give you my point of view

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Good points, Cendre.
Bizarre magic doesn't have to be dark, gloomy, dreary, and ghastly.
If you want frightening, then nothing is more frightening than the normal gone askew.
Hitchcock knew that, in his movies; Stephen King knows that, in his books.
Cendre, your 2/3 storytelling and 1/3 magic strikes me as about right.
Sure, our audiences don't really believe we are doing the supernatural, any more than the audience believed Spielberg's dinosaurs were real, in Jurrasic Park.
But, in both cases, the audience likes to kid itself for a little while.
And it's our job to accommodate them.
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Accomadate them... You are perfectly right, if they aren't satisfied by the show, that our fault because we haven't done the right job.

But I want to complete my thought about "credibility of magic" and what we have to bring to our spectators (Sorry WR for this digression on your topic).

I had the pleasure to see Eugene Burger and J Mc Bride at the "Double-Fond" (the magic Cafe of D Duvivier in Paris), and I 'm a fervent reader of your stories in Online-Vision. But both E. Burger and you lead me (and some friends of mine) to this question : Does your spectators have the feeling to see something "different" or simply an disguised card trick. It's absolutely not a critic, but a real question. (I have in mind one of your TornRestored Card disguised in a Voodoo Story).

In fact,at the end of E. Burger Lecture we were a lot to be disappointed because we hadn't see "bizarre" but Card tricks. I love card tricks but I didn't went to this lecture for that.

You have much more experience than me in this domain and I really want to know what your spectators feel in front of this kind of Card-Bizarre magic Stories.

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Just a quick point i train people in the use of first aid or advance trauma life support (those who know my day job will understand) and we are taught NOT to use real bones or blood when making up casualties it can lead to all sorts remember its not that long ago when the UK had the foot and mouth crisis. just a thought i have an address of a company who make bones for med students and the like and if you can tell it from a real bone you must be truly magickal, i will dig the address out and post it here, its something like LAERDAL?
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Just a quick point i train people in the use of first aid or advance trauma life support (those who know my day job will understand) and we are taught NOT to use real bones or blood when making up casualties it can lead to all sorts remember its not that long ago when the UK had the foot and mouth crisis. just a thought i have an address of a company who make bones for med students and the like and if you can tell it from a real bone you must be truly magickal, i will dig the address out and post it here, its something like LAERDAL?
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Funny you should bring up Hitchcock Peter... I use his image and theme as the opening to my evening shows...

You are correct in the fact that one needn't "go to the dark side" to bring about intrepidation or hesitation. Granted, I prefer such twists and enuendos, but I'm a very sick and maladjusted individual... On the other hand, I've seen "stock" magic send chills down spines and cause people to question reality. That's the kind of stuff that makes even us old farts sit back and say "Wow! That really was MAGICK"
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WR,

Back to dying bones. I've done a lot of fine scale modelling in the past and for a realistic tone you might want to try the following. It's a bit long but stick with me on this;
Paint or dye the bone the darkest colour that you want the main part of the bone to be.

Next using a lighter coloured paint, dip a paint brush (small brush like for models, not a house brush) in the light colour. Wipe almost all the paint off the brush onto a paper towel or the like and then lightly brush the bone with it. The bone will pick up the light tones on the higher areas (highlights) of the bone.
You can use as many layers of lighter paints and the 'dry brush' method as you see fit.

Next step do the same using white paint but only VERY VERY lightly.

When this has all dried very well, a day or so, you use an oil paint and turpentine wash. The wash is made by adding a couple of 'drops' (a poor term because oil paint doesn't drop but I hope that makes sense) of oil paint to a small jar of turpentine. I use a 35mm film canister. This should be dark enough to have tone but still able to see through it. This potion then gets liberally brushed over the whole bone. The 'wash' will invade any crevices and make them very dark and aged looking.

I then do a very light 'dry brush' of white just to bring out the high lights again.

It's a method i learned for making new models look old but it works on any article.
That's it. Long sounding but it looks good when completed.

Hope I've helped.
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