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I think it's so impressive to lay people because big Joker is inserted in any position of the deck.take care of a blank deck just makes it more impressive to them because they think to themselves,"how did I place that Joker to the position of the only printed card in the deck".

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Sorry for last post. Darn smart phones are not to smart!! Lol

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On May 15, 2014, magic_tony wrote:
That mentalist who offered Jamie £100 for the trick can't have been into magic for any length of time - a single viewing of the demo and one can work out the method. Perhaps he / she had been at the Midori!

An amateur sees value in method. A pro sees value in impact.

Facts you will come to appreciate in time.
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I dread it uses r+s!
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I dread it uses r+s!

Put your fishing rod away!

Buy the effect if you want to know the method.
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If Jamie is saying this is good then by jingo it must be.

I do have slight misgivings that the blanks are a step too far..wouldn't it scream force to a spectator...maybe I'm over thinking it with my planet sized brain.
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I do have slight misgivings that the blanks are a step too far..wouldn't it scream force to a spectator...maybe I'm over thinking it with my planet sized brain.


Great point Ray. To kick, or not to kick. That is the question.

You've got me thinking.

I will try both ways and report back on my experience.
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I'm probably over thinking.

There are different types of spectator and those who just want to be amazed and not analyse will be blown away by this.

I think the more analytical type still won't have a clue how you found their card but will know it was forced on them. But to no great detriment.

And anyway, stuff the analytical problem solving spectators, we should set UKIP on them.
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In my experience so far no one thought the card was forced BECAUSE they insert the joker ANYWHERE they want in the deck.


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Re: The blank deck kicker. magic_tony and Ray Chelt make a good point and it's one I also considered at length.

At first glance, the blank deck would appear to weaken the effect because it seems to make plain that the outcome MUST have been pre-determined/forced. I thought this too but, when you think about it, this is actually facetious reasoning because, if all the cards are shown to be regular/different at the end, the same impossibility is present. The likelihood of the outcome is EXACTLY the same. For lay people though (who do not think about these things to this extent anyway) the blank deck instantly answers any potential lingering questions - "Are they all the Jack of Clubs?", "Is there a bank of Jack of Clubs?", "Is every other card the Jack of Clubs?". While a regular deck of all different cards CAN be used to quench these suspicions, to my mind, nothing does it more efficiently or dramatically than the blank deck. Under scrutiny, what would appear to lean towards the method is actually a HUGE throw-off because whatever guesses they may be making in their head, they're definitely not expecting the blanks so, all avenues are instantly shut down - game over.

Here's an experiment for those who own Loxley: In a deck of double facers the Joker has a spot card printed on its back - normally, a 5H or 6S I think? Do the necessary and use that card and the other 'special cards' with a regular deck (discarding the card that matches the reverse of the Joker and the JC, of course) and perform Loxley as normal. I think you'll find it's still a 'good' trick but I bet you'll very quickly return to the blank deck ending because, put very simply, it provides MUCH more impact and just FEELS more impossible, even though technically, it's not.

Strange but true.

All the best,

Dave.
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On May 21, 2014, Dave Forrest wrote:
Re: The blank deck kicker. magic_tony and Ray Chelt make a good point and it's one I also considered at length.

At first glance, the blank deck would appear to weaken the effect because it seems to make plain that the outcome MUST have been pre-determined/forced. I thought this too but, when you think about it, this is actually facetious reasoning because, if all the cards are shown to be regular/different at the end, the same impossibility is present. The likelihood of the outcome is EXACTLY the same. For lay people though (who do not think about these things to this extent anyway) the blank deck instantly answers any potential lingering questions - "Are they all the Jack of Clubs?", "Is there a bank of Jack of Clubs?", "Is every other card the Jack of Clubs?". While a regular deck of all different cards CAN be used to quench these suspicions, to my mind, nothing does it more efficiently or dramatically than the blank deck. Under scrutiny, what would appear to lean towards the method is actually a HUGE throw-off because whatever guesses they may be making in their head, they're definitely not expecting the blanks so, all avenues are instantly shut down - game over.

Here's an experiment for those who own Loxley: In a deck of double facers the Joker has a spot card printed on its back - normally, a 5H or 6S I think? Do the necessary and use that card and the other 'special cards' with a regular deck (discarding the card that matches the reverse of the Joker and the JC, of course) and perform Loxley as normal. I think you'll find it's still a 'good' trick but I bet you'll very quickly return to the blank deck ending because, put very simply, it provides MUCH more impact and just FEELS more impossible, even though technically, it's not.

Strange but true.

All the best,

Dave.


I'm very interested in this discussion, because of something that happened to me this weekend.

I showed Loxley to two friends. They are not magicians, but have seen many tricks of mine and provide honest feedback. He opened his messages, looked at the photo, marvelled at the accuracy of my prediction, and when I revealed the kicker blanks...

...they both gave a little sigh of disappointment.

In the chat that followed, they confessed that they had NO idea how it was done (they still don't!) but that SOMEHOW the revelation of the blanks made it seem "mechanical". One of them actually said that the blanks, "made it look like something you bought from a magic shop." They asked me if it could be done with just a regular deck and I said it could: they thought that that would be much more impressive.

I dunno though...I still like the blanks!!

PS Why "Loxley" Dave?
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Ross, I have been performing this with and without the kicker as an experiment.

The results, when I'm ready to share, will make for some interesting reading.
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Ross, I have been performing this with and without the kicker as an experiment.

The results, when I'm ready to share, will make for some interesting reading.


Very much look forward to your thoughts
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All interesting stuff. Maybe there is no right or wrong answer, y'know? I mean, it may depend entirely on the audience but I certainly look forward to any and all feedback.

Ross - Robin of 'Loxley' a.k.a. Robin Hood. The name actually comes from an earlier version that was presented with more of a bent towards the 'accuracy' of them stabbing their card at just the right spot, between two cards. I would use the analogy of Robin Hood's arrow splitting another arrow to play up the impossibility of them finding just that one spot in the deck with no margin for error. The presentation and plot changed over time but, as I liked it so much, the name remained.

All the best,

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Use two spectators. The 1st "freely" chooses a card from one deck and the 2nd insert the Joker on the Loxley's Deck. Doing this way you can use the "kicker". I hope it helps!!!
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Will this be available at all the usual dealers? Thanks
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^ wondering that as well.
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Here you go...

http://www.magicbox.uk.com/loxley-by-david-forrest.html

And check out the quote at the end of the product description, thoughts from a real working pro Smile
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Thanks for the info Jamie, actually was wondering if this is going to be distributed in the US, though may go ahead and buy from the UK if not.
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Hey Romano911, most dealers are now carrying Loxley including those in the US.

Many thanks,

Dave.
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