The appearance application, or is it just a vanish, is described in Bobo's. Isn't this the bit where you tell the specator to grab the coin as soon as you place in into his hand, and it disappears?

Regarding the other comments about male patterns and such, especially in connection with Michael Ammar, no comment. Chris Kenner has all the best lines, anyway.

Sorry folks. my bad. I sometimes skip words as I read and twistedance's post scanned as amusing about "worry..premature angles.. right spot" and the obvious got me to wonder if he still does the bit. Again. my bad. sorry.

On Stevens' "Coin Classics" video has Michael Ammar's coins across and at the end he says John Kennedy, another magician that I admire, is also doing similar routine using this idea. So it seems they both worked this out for themselves around the same time.

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Joe

I'm not sure if John ever published it, but I did personally witness him develop and perform it.

As far as angles on the last coin, I was referring to "premature exposure." I'm not very tall so it can be an issue for me (those who know about the last coin will know what I'm talking about). Further, for the appearance of the last coin to fool the audience, they have to be looking at the spectator's cupped hands, and it's not necessarily easy to misdirect a large group that way.

As far as both Ammar and Kennedy working this out for themselves around the same time, my comment is that's a load of xxxx. My opinion is the same as Chris Kenner's mentioned in his book "Totally Out of Control." Look for the cartoon where he reveals what Mr. A's initials stand for.

Larry

Taking the premise to a mechanical conclusion...

I did like watching the 'copenetro' thing happen. Four coins are picked up in one hand only to vanish and appear on the other hand... appearing in a shot glass, which is itself covered by an inverted glass. The appearances are visual and impressive. the vanishes are one handed and pretty good too.

The Kennedy coins to glass also has impressive coin appearances.

Which routine is that Jon, with the coins appearing in the shot glass with another glass on top of it?

The trick with the shot glass, tumbler and coin stand is called 'Copenetro' and it's a mechanical thing. The John Kennedy visible coins to glass is less mechanical and uses more ordinary props though less 'clean' looking. Both are thumbs up in my opinion.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news Larry but Steve Minch beat you to the punch. He published a chapter of fly magic (including two in the hand, one in the pocket and Cups and Flies) way back in 1977 in Creations Of A Magical Madman.

Ok, how about this for a 3 Fly; first coin jumps as usual, second coin, as in Darryl's 3 Fly, this leaves you legitimately with 2 coins in one hand and one in the other, offer to send the last coin in slow motion, horizontally muscle pass the final coin, and you are totally clean.

Thanks for the info and I've PM'ed you so as to not hijack this thread.

Larry

Hello,
I have seen Mr. Townsend do his coins across at one of the Saturday gatherings in Manhattan and it is very pretty. It has a sense of very visual magic yet without being as "confrontational" as some of the other kinds of 3-Fly routines I have seen. Mr. Townsend, I hope that you publish it soon as I am sure the magic world would love to read your coin work.
On another note, there was also another magician there, though his name escapes me, who was doing another version of the coins across that was very different. It was done at the fingertips, but with the hands palm up. Very different indeed and still as visual a routine as I have seen.

Actorscotty,

See Kainoa Harbottle's "Fingertip Muscle Pass" in "Cointopia". It does just what you describe, without a grip change. Somehow, not a satisfying last coin for my audiences, but maybe for yours?

Wouldn't turning the last coin into a real fly and letting it fly away be even more visual?

And then as I do, you could make the fly disappear by using a "Spider Vanish."

My eyes bugged out of my head when I saw Kaino do the fingertip muscle pass in 3-fly. I added it to mine as the gag where it goes across visibly...that way it's not just a gag but magical in a way as well. Actorscotty, if you haven't seen it....just WOW.

RE: The Sankey unfulfilled coin assembly using I.T.

It's less magical than Kennedy's Translocation. In the proposed effect by Sankey the coins are seen to move around the table. The audience is free to imagine the motive force (magnets under the table perhaps?) In the Kennedy effect he covers the coins and when he raises his hands the coins are no longer where they were. Something happened while nothing happened. The mind has nothing to connect A to B and so the effect is perceived as magic.

If you see everything happen it's not magic, it's a special effect.