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Jerry
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Interesting article I thought I would bring to the attention of fellow card sharp enthusiasts.

http://news.yahoo.com/borgata-casino-law......332.html

Casinos have very strict quality assurance standards for gambling equipment (example cards, dice), yes?
If so, then I find the allegations very interesting.
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I really don't see how this was possible.
So Ivey takes advantage of flaw on a deck at a moments notice, and works with the dealer at the same time?
Now that's some grif
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If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.

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Tommy, many thanks for this overlooked topic (on my part).
I am now enlighted.

Ivey convince the casino to NOT destroy the flawed deck. Simply amazing!
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I don't know the latest on it. I mean, I don't know if it's come to court yet. Should be an interesting legal argument and so on when or if it does. A lot of these sort of cases are settled out of court and so it may not ever get that far.
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I am a casino management major at UNLV (believe it or not) and there is an easy way the casino in question could have avoided the whole situation. It's called following the procedures. In baccarat, the bet is suppose to be made before the cards come out, but because the casino was willing to do whatever they could to get a shot a Phil Ivey's money, they through game protection right out the window and it bit them in the butt. A casino should not risk the protection of its games for the chance of someone's money. Having said that, do I think Ivey cheated. Absolutely not. Ivey asked for a specific set of procedures he wanted and they were granted. He didn't do anything to the cards, he didn't make any late bets. All he did was play under the guidelines the casino agreed to. Again this is why casinos have specific procedures in place and they should never be broken for anyone.
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Hmm I don't know what you mean old boy, by "In baccarat, the bet is suppose to be made before the cards come out" Can you not see the cards, or top card, in the shoe bedore it they come out?
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Baccarat is dealt from an 8 deck shoe and on most baccarat shoes there is a sliding door in front so the top card can't be seen at all.
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On Apr 24, 2014, STM70 wrote:
Baccarat is dealt from an 8 deck shoe and on most baccarat shoes there is a sliding door in front so the top card can't be seen at all.



STM70, you have to be very careful with this kind of statement, especially if you work on casino management.
Lot of "protection" devices provide a false sense of security which result in being blind in some aspect of the game security...

The fact is, under the right conditions, the top card CAN be seen.

Keep in mind that nothing is impossible.

Cordially.
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Thanks. It's not not my game. I thought one could see the top card or part of it. How does the dealer not expose the top card of the next hand?
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Definitive statements from casino management trainees are best viewed in the light of said trainees inexperience.

There's a good chance most casino management trainees at ULVN have never done any serious gambling in their lives, and are simply repeating what they learned in class that day (or week, or month, etc).

Luckily, the instructors at ULVN's casino management program are some of the most knowledgeable folks around when the topic is gambling (eg. David Schwartz, author of "Roll The Bones"), so presumably by the time our eager casino management trainees graduate, they will avoid making strongly definitive statements which fail to realize the actual lengths "real" casino managers will go to in order to attract deep pockets that are eager to wager.
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There is sliding door in front so the top card can't be seen at all. That sliding door must slide open so that the croup can get his hand on the cards to deal them. That sliding door thus must be open as he deals the last card of the last hand. So the next card, for next hand, would be exposed at that moment before the sliding door comes down to hide it. It seems to me. It would not be such a big advatage as knowing every card it would still be an advantage knowing one. If the dealer is in on it, which is often the case in these things, then he would not need to leave much of that sliding door open for one to see the edge would he?
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Hello,

http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/10/ph......9407.htm

Phil Ivey defends his reputation in an interview with James Brown (CBS journalist) on 60 Minutes Sports, yesterday on Showtime. Do you know if it's possible to watch again the full interview somewhere on the Internet ? I find nothing on google, youtube or official website of Showtime. (I may have some restriction because I live in France ?)

Thank You !
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Hi it's me again !

I finally found the video on Pokertube.com
http://www.pokertube.com/videos/60-minut......ockfords
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