Working on this move for the first time, I've hit a bit of a wall in keeping the CP'd stack quiet when I do the transfer. I can comfortably CP four halves, but when taking the top coin from the stack, it's noisy! If I try to release the coin from CP, it works about half the time; the other half I end up with two coins being transferred! Michael does not mention the use of soft coins, so I assume he doesn't need them for this...seems I do

The only thing I can come up with is to use the fingernail of the left ring finger to leverage the coin off of the stack, as opposed to trying to quietly slide it off... am I missing something ?

Of course a lot depends on environment and ambient noise, so let's assume this is being performed in a quiet corner of a restaurant.
Thanks for reading.

You Mite using soft coins!

You have worked through Bobo and Henry Hay right? The answers are right there for you.

I agree with bdekolta.Look in Amateur Magicians Handbook in the section about edge P***ing multiple coins.I use 1964 Kennedy Halves and feel as if I am cheating if I use soft coins.Practice and patience is the key.

Pg. 134

Pg 129 Revised edition

Hay's book says "even the utmost gentleness will not keep the coins from talking without thorough practice". Yet 2 sentences latter he says "talking is almost inevitable"

This reference does not not help with the question that was asked - I think the poster was looking for suggestions on technique (while using a CP) As the above quote indicated, Hay's book recommends using a different sleight.

I think the best approach would be misdirection, even sound based misdirection. Personally, although I can CP multiple coins, I would not consider doing this in a quiet room. For me, the bigger problem is a control release - no can do. My hands are too dry and not enough "meat" on them.

The specific reference to Hay I was going for was his advice on how tightly to hold your props. Beyond that I will say that I have rarely had a performance environment that didn't have enough ambient noise to cover most things.

And in the quote from Hay: "even the utmost gentleness will not keep the coins from talking without thorough practice" - note that he says "without thorough practice". And some talking is inevitable but it is manageable. Most people are unwilling to put in the necessary practice. Dryness of hands and "meat" are not the qualifying factors.

My suggestion was that he try substituting the edge p***
I would agree that misdirection would work but I believe that most tricks using CP can be done with the edge p***. The edge p*** also allows more control.

I've posted this in the past.

Learn to cp while doing a coin roll.
Then learn it with two, then three then four.

Once you learn to release it opens up many possibilities.

A. The coin production in the Champagne act by Vallerino
B. A great addition to a coin box and spectator routine.
C. Surprise productions reveled after/with time delays.


Harris
Still with Palms of aluminum foil, for a lighter touch in coin magic

To answer some of the questions above, yes I've worked through Bobo, and continue to do so (don't see myself ever being 'done' studying the book or Ben's videos), but no I am not familiar with Hay's work.

CPing the coins is not a problem, at least for my dominant hand. It gets a little trickier with dollars, as their extra thickness makes that fourth coin a bugger to hang onto without cramping the hand unnaturally. Of course I can use thinned dollars (softened) to deal with both issues: a comfortable CP and far less talking. I just need to order a few morgan copies I can soften up.

Dallas, using the edge palm isn't a bad idea, although after all of five minutes trying it (so I really need to give this more of a chance!) I'm still getting a fair bit of chatter. Give me a couple of weeks to try this with halves and dollars, then I'll have a proper response for you

Harris was kind enough to pm me some details and ideas on how to make this work - thanks brother Since I am able to drop single coin from a short stack of three halves or two dollars, the best method to avoid the noise is clearly to work on this technique, allowing the transfer to be totally silent. That, or use soft coins, or work a noisy room.

Thanks to all who responded to my post.

Check the used book stores on a consistent basis to see if you can find a copy of the Amateur Magician's Handbook by Henry Hay.You will find it to be a valuable resource.

Another idea.

Practice with silver dollars and after a while half dollars will be a piece of cake. Sort of like swinging heavy bats before going to the plate.

My CDO helps with my practice.
Also helps burn extra calories.

DallasFrank refers to the edgepalm. Are you actually referring to the Down's Oblique Palm in "Amateur Magician's Handbook"? If so I agree completely. Ross Bertram had a lot of work with that and the palm served me well over the years.

And does the DallasFrank refer to Dallas, TX? If so we may know each other.

I've found the Oblique Palm to be quite valuable over the years. And a hybrid between Oblique and Classic to be quite useful in most situations.

John Long you admit Hay was consistent but still look for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. In 99% of the performing environments I've encountered over 30 years there is, as I said, enough ambient noise to cover the slight noise that will occur with the palms. The rest you cover with presentation.

Henry Hay is a superior source when learning and leaves you in a place you can grow from and not just worry about non-issues.

I've not read all the post, but the answer is easy. Keep practicing and learn to drop coins form classic palm one by one. It can be done silently and if I can do it you can do it too. Just take the time to learn it properly and you will be very happy indeed.
Sonic Squeeze is a trick I've done over and over in all kind of environment. Reed McClintock has a dvd on learning the Classic Palm that gives wonderfull drill to get use to the action of dropping coins one by one from CP without any noise. Look for it.

Yves

Reed Mc's work motivated me to learn to c/p more coins.

I have his dvd's, but not the one on learning the c/p.

enjoy the process!

Ammar's routine doesn't involve dropping coins from a classic palm.

Bdekolta
Amateur Magicians Handbook p.128 refers to it as the edge,oblique,or Downs palm,Bobo calls it the edge palm and A.M,H calls the conventionally known Down's palm the crotch palm....so yes we are talking of the same sleight but seems as if the authors call it different things.The edge or oblique palm is harder to learn but easier once you get the hang of it.
We may well know each other.I think I am on your mailing list.

Frank
Ps I know one of the guys listed on your site for sure.

Bdekolta,

Funny thing is, I didn't remember that until I read your post. That's true that Ammar uses his second finger to slide out the coin if I remember correctly. Anyway, in my case it evolves to the point when I just covertly drop the coin in the other hand when I take the visible one. I think efficiency brought me to that. And...this way there is no sound problem....

Yves

I had adopted using Edge palm until Edge Grip came into vogue so I switched to Oblique. I think calling it a Down's palm can be confusing since we associate that with another palm position.