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KC Cameron
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SpellbinderEntertainment, makeupguy, and others, you OWE TravisNye another PUBLIC and private apology for your stupid comments. You have not seen or floated his table, and calling it crap from one photo says a lot about who you are inside.

I HAVE the plans for this table (Vandoren's book) . It's lighter than Losanders. It looks like a regular table, which is important. It also looks heavier, which is important.

Also, the wording of Vandoren's book on the origins of the floating table sounds suspiciously like my wording from my web site in 2007. Maybe he researched it himself, I don't know, but he didn't ask me. I don't believe Vandoren asked permission from Vladimir Mikek either . . . and he doesn't sell the book as an ebook because he "doesn't want it to be stolen" (according to a phone conversation I had with Vandoren). I thought that was pretty funny!

Note: While I think Vandoren's plans make a nice table, I do not use them myself. Yes, I think the legs could be wider, but that is a trade-off for weight.
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On Jan 25, 2015, KC Cameron wrote:
According to Vladimir Mikek, Losander never even asked permission to make floating tables when he moved to the US. If anyone is making a knock-off, it is Losander..


Wow. Thank you KC. It seems clear now.

Doug
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Just a note, Losander did put out a DVD - to get more business. He does fix tables and has a trade in policy. Unless it changed, he offers $500 off a new table with a trade in of another brand. I would get the $75 plastic one made in China and save myself $425 if I wanted to buy a Losander table - he still makes a ton of profit.

His latest table is a 3 legged. I came up with that idea (and documented it on the Café) in 2007-8. I was chastised because it looked like a stool . . . now Losander uses that idea and it is great?? *L*

He sells it for $1500. I can make what he did for less than $100 - that is materials and labor of a professional finish carpenter. I think anyone could be real nice for that type of profit. When you say you get what you pay for . . . I would say HE got what YOU paid for. But, if you are happy to pay for it, whom am I to complain?
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You make a lot of sense, KC. I never knew this. I'm sure I speak for many, when I say I appreciate another view on this. I was rather unrighteously indignant due to the number of rip-offs and knock-offs today. This puts me in my place. Sometimes a light has to be shown directly on the issue. I'm glad ya spoke up, KC!

Doug
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On Jul 30, 2014, TheRaven wrote:
5Magic ethics are only personal opinion. The legal system requires a huge infrastructure. Courts, Judges, Lawyers, federal law, state law, etc. The unique magic ethics has none of that. It is entirely dependent on a collective consciousness and personal opinion.Threads like this are where those discussions occur - but they will forever be personal opinion. Without written law and judges to decide, a system by which these finer points of ethics can be DECIDED doesn't exist.

I support everyone's right to agree or disagree. The debate is the thing.



Well I am new to this, I saw Losanders Table on Magic Geeks (when it was still around) and fell in love with it. I became aquainted with it on Losanders site and purchased the original table. I am working hard on the routine now before rolling it out. It is ingenious and admire him for his creation and feel compelled to give him props for his original creation. I think it is important to give credit of those that came before us for what they have created and especially that they share it with others. It is a quality product and think it is a fair price to pay. In any case I very much would like to see other routines and how others perform. Do you use music in your routine?
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Um, I'm in a daze after reading all of this. I know the thread is old, but a friend of mine bought his daughter a floating table off of Amazon. I was skeptical, but ate crow because the quality is as good as what Losander sells. But it cam with no instructions.
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