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Hi folks! I was wondering if anyone uses the divided deck principle with something more visually subtle than red-black. I like how the principle is used in Paul Wilson's Absolute Zero, but of course I worry that a rogue spec in shuffling the cards will flip a packet and catch on to the very obvious.

Major Suit/Minor Suit and Odd/Even (where red kings are odd and black are even as in the ID) come to mind, but I am wondering if there is something even more subtle that is pretty obvious on sight to the conjuror but will hold up to at least a cursory visual inspection by laypeople.

Of course I am talking here about deck division as a means to card location. Of course I know where colour separation is the point (OOTW, quite a few Aldo Colombini effects, Two Shuffle Harry, etc.) R-B division is needed. I also know that R-B is visually bold as an aid to card location whereas other divisions take greater care and a little more time.

I have gotten pretty adept with my Ireland shuffle, so I am keen to learn and do more divided deck mystifiers and looking to learn what sort of setups people like.

Cheers,

Les
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Some interesting principles described here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2

Persionally I use the Flat/Curved principle - very deseptive IMO

(i.e. the top of the number/letter on the index will either be flat or curved so 4 7 K A J are all flat or pointy and the Q 2 3 6 8 etc. all curved)
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On May 15, 2014, JustCraig wrote:
Some interesting principles described here:

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......&forum=2

Persionally I use the Flat/Curved principle - very deseptive IMO

(i.e. the top of the number/letter on the index will either be flat or curved so 4 7 K A J are all flat or pointy and the Q 2 3 6 8 etc. all curved)


Flat-curved is brilliant! Thanks for that. Since I want a perfectly divided deck, I would reckon A, 4, 5, 7, J, and K as flat/pointy, and 2, 3, 6, 8, 9, and Q as curved. This leaves the 10's. I would reckon the black 10's curved (the C and S of Clubs and Spades are curved letters) and red ones flat (H and D have straight lines).

In Wilson's Absolute Zero I have also contemplated a deck with subtle one-way design such as the Phoenix deck (bottom half of the deck one way, top half the other), but if the spec rotates one of the packets in shuffling one is kind of pooched.

Thanks for the reply.

Les
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I use flat and rounds all the time. I usually clasifiy the 3's as flat since bikes and a lot of other cards the 3 has a flat top. And I put 10 under round since the 0 is more dominant.

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^ Good advice, Ryan!
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On May 11, 2014, lcwright1964 wrote:
Hi folks! I was wondering if anyone uses the divided deck principle with something more visually subtle than red-black. I like how the principle is used in Paul Wilson's Absolute Zero, but of course I worry that a rogue spec in shuffling the cards will flip a packet and catch on to the very obvious.

Major Suit/Minor Suit and Odd/Even (where red kings are odd and black are even as in the ID) come to mind, but I am wondering if there is something even more subtle that is pretty obvious on sight to the conjuror but will hold up to at least a cursory visual inspection by laypeople.

Of course I am talking here about deck division as a means to card location. Of course I know where colour separation is the point (OOTW, quite a few Aldo Colombini effects, Two Shuffle Harry, etc.) R-B division is needed. I also know that R-B is visually bold as an aid to card location whereas other divisions take greater care and a little more time.

I have gotten pretty adept with my Ireland shuffle, so I am keen to learn and do more divided deck mystifiers and looking to learn what sort of setups people like.

Cheers,

Les


lcwright,

If you have access to the "black" volume of Apocalypse, look up an effect called Utterly Blown Away by Tom Daugherty. It's a completely impromptu version of Juan Tamariz's Blown Way (also known as Neither Blind Nor Stupid). Daugherty's version does not use a preset and his application of the divided deck is beautiful and indetectable.

Also, in the "blue" Apocalypse volume there is an effect called Goody Two Choose by J.K. Hartman - also published in Mr. Hartman's mammoth CardCraft - which also employs a divided deck and again, not red/black. In fact, the get ready for the Daughtery effect could easily be used for the Hartman effect.

The issue of course is availability of these resources. CardCraft is long OOP and Apocalypse, at least in physical form is quite difficult to obtain these days. The good news however is that CARC sells Apocalypse in digital form and you can buy individual issues if you like.
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Great subject!
The main question was about card location, may I ask if you have references about tricks using the divided deck principle (other than red/black) for other tricks than card location?
I'm just practicing right now the angle separation from Lennart Green, what a great move! And not so difficult to put in play.

best,

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On May 11, 2014, lcwright1964 wrote:
Hi folks! I was wondering if anyone uses the divided deck principle with something more visually subtle than red-black. I like how the principle is used in Paul Wilson's Absolute Zero, but of course I worry that a rogue spec in shuffling the cards will flip a packet and catch on to the very obvious.

Major Suit/Minor Suit and Odd/Even (where red kings are odd and black are even as in the ID) come to mind, but I am wondering if there is something even more subtle that is pretty obvious on sight to the conjuror but will hold up to at least a cursory visual inspection by laypeople.

Of course I am talking here about deck division as a means to card location. Of course I know where colour separation is the point (OOTW, quite a few Aldo Colombini effects, Two Shuffle Harry, etc.) R-B division is needed. I also know that R-B is visually bold as an aid to card location whereas other divisions take greater care and a little more time.

I have gotten pretty adept with my Ireland shuffle, so I am keen to learn and do more divided deck mystifiers and looking to learn what sort of setups people like.

Cheers,

Les


lcwright,

If you have access to the "black" volume of Apocalypse, look up an effect called Utterly Blown Away by Tom Daugherty. It's a completely impromptu version of Juan Tamariz's Blown Way (also known as Neither Blind Nor Stupid). Daugherty's version does not use a preset and his application of the divided deck is beautiful and indetectable.

Also, in the "blue" Apocalypse volume there is an effect called Goody Two Choose by J.K. Hartman - also published in Mr. Hartman's mammoth CardCraft - which also employs a divided deck and again, not red/black. In fact, the get ready for the Daughtery effect could easily be used for the Hartman effect.

The issue of course is availability of these resources. CardCraft is long OOP and Apocalypse, at least in physical form is quite difficult to obtain these days. The good news however is that CARC sells Apocalypse in digital form and you can buy individual issues if you like.


Vlad, I will be on the look out for this. Thank you!

You touch on something that I was thinking of today, as it is mentioned both in the writings of Aronson and Tamariz: when one knows the card-stack position association cold for whatever stack one knows (I am working on Mnemonica these days) a division with cards 1-26 in one half and 27-52, even mixed up within their halves, is invisible. However, one would have to know the position-card associations cold, since in going through the cards to locate a key or out-of-place select one has to call each card "upper, lower, etc." in one's head instantaneously.

Les
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Once you've got the memdeck down, you'll find the division into high low is fairly easy. You won't even have to consciously think about it--you'll just sense that something is off when you find the one high card in the lower half.

Until then: BORE/ROBE

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