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fengenroll
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After how many years of practice, after how many lectures, after how many shows, making how much money?
Impossible to answer? -Yes I know.

But there has to be that incredible day were you go from being the "guy who does tricks" to "the magician who does routines"?

What's your opinion?
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You kind of answered your own question. Most Magician's don't do lectures and most Magician's don't do "shows" except for Family and Friends and some only do Magic for themselves. Money as far as I am concerned isn't even part of the equation. I have seen very bad Magician's make good money and good Magician's make little or no money at all.
My attitude is when a person can entertain rather than just fool an audience and can do more than one "trick" and has enough interest to learn at least a little about the history of Magic (that is, has a real interest in the subject not just wanting to fool people) then that person is a Magician.
Other than that, anyone can call themselves a Magician but others may disagree.
There is no "Black and White" answer to your excellent question, as it is very subjective.
I am interested in what others have to say on this subject.
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Off the cuff, I'll say that you are a magician when you can perform for other people without embarrassing yourself or the audience Smile
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It's not up to you.
You are a magician when YOUR AUDIENCE decides you are a magician.
You can call yourself anything you want to, but it doesn't mean a thing until someone else agrees.
And it has nothing to do with a certain amount of practice, a certain number of lectures, or a certain bunch of money. It's an "outside yourself" thing.
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When I was 15, I bought my first guitar. I had no idea how to play it. I got a chord and scale book and learned about three songs. So from that moment on, in my young mind, I was now a "guitarist". I thought that sounded so cool!

Then my mouth got me in trouble. A group of guys asked me to come over one Saturday and jam with them. You know, me being a "guitarist" and all. By the time that Saturday was over, and seeing what those other cats could do, I was no longer a "guitarist", but simply a kid who had a guitar. It was a humbling lesson.

For the next ten years I played guitar and got better. But I was always still aware of that lesson, and always kept in mind that no matter how much I knew about playing I still had a long way to go.

Then, when I was 25, I was asked by a local (and rather popular) blues band to join their band after jamming with eachother at an open mic session in a club. I asked them why they wanted me to join, and they said, "Because, we need a good guitarist."

So I had crossed over, somwhere along the line. And it wasn't until someone else defined me as such, did I feel I had accomplished this goal.

So in magic, as in music, art, writing, we should just sit back and enjoy the ride. Practice, study and create. And in time, they will let us know how far we have come.
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Mr. Marucci and Firedice said it all. What they said hits the nail on the head. Smile
Nothing more needs to be said on this subject. Well done guys.
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Firedice,

Excellent answer. There is no real instance where someone all of a sudden is a "Magician".

It usually happens over a period of time when you're not even aware of it.

For example, a friend of mine recently visited with a couple of people I had never met before. They convinced me to do "some magic" for them. Since I was unprepared, I did a small sample of "easy" effects - the most difficult of which was Doc Eason's "Anniversary Waltz". (Most of you know, that is NOT a knuckle-buster).

These people that I had never met commented that they had never seen REAL magic before! They thought I would just do some novelty items. I could tell they enjoyed the experience.

So I guess that would mean that, at least for one afternoon, I was a magician!!!!
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I thought I said the same thing more succinctly ... oh well :-( lol
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Firedice that was an inspiring story Smile
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Glad my story helped!
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Quote:
On 2004-01-13 14:10, Peter Marucci wrote:
It's not up to you.
You are a magician when YOUR AUDIENCE decides you are a magician.
You can call yourself anything you want to, but it doesn't mean a thing until someone else agrees.
And it has nothing to do with a certain amount of practice, a certain number of lectures, or a certain bunch of money. It's an "outside yourself" thing.
cheers,
Peter Marucci
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Exactly. Couldn't agree more.
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Great answers all! Smile
Agree that there are not "how much money you make" that's make you a magician.

But the ability to entertain and suprise your audience for a memorable experience, no matter how big your croud is.

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No single trick make a magician
your popularity grows as your skills do
keep it up
best regards tom Smile
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When can you call yourself a Magician? When you pick up the phone.

Sorry about that... Smile
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When people are saying to you:"I never believed in magicians before..."
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As for getting other people to recognize you as a magician, I've found that it's doomed to failure if you try to force it. But if you do one great trick every once in a blue moon and add a little bit of a sparkling personality, gradually people will start to call you a magician. Sounds too simple, but tis true, tis true . . .
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Actually I belive something change inside your head when you receive your very first applause - You are on the path of becomming.....

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...As long as i`m not a world-champion at anything, the great reactions of doin` magic will do just fine.....
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Just as long as they don’t applaud after saying, “I will now perform my last effect”.
In loving memory of Hughie Thomasson 1952-2007.

You brought something beautiful to this world, you touched my heart, my soul and my life. You will be greatly missed.

Until we meet again “my old friend”.
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I had an experience a few days ago after which I felt myself to truly be a magician. I was at work practicing some new moves with a deck of cards and dropped one of the cards on the other side of the counter. A customer came in at that moment and picked up the card for me. Joking around I asked "Was that your card? Oh wait, you haven't chosen it yet." I shuffled it back into the deck and had him pick a card which turned out to be the one he had picked up off the floor. Intrigued he continued watching and I performed a series of manipulations/tricks. Soon the shop was crowded with about 20 people whom I held spellbound (only now do I truely understand that word) for a good quarter-hour. Something inside me clicked and I had a sense of going on a journey and taking all these people with me. I was the leader and they would happily follow me into another dimension if I asked them to because the trip was so much fun. That's not a great description of the feeling, but I can't express it better. I could have held them there for an hour if I had so chosen.

I've had that feeling in other forms of performance art, particularly singing, but it was the first time I had experienced it in magic. The nerves were gone, the self-doubt was gone, and for a 15 minute period I was royalty. I had the sense that I couldn't miss, that if I had tried at that moment to do the most difficult trick I've learned I would have pulled it off without a hitch.

Don't get me wrong, I've performed many times when that sense of rightness never came and the performance went fine anyway, it's not a necessary element to doing well. I read once that athletes occasionally have days when they just feel like they can't lose, and when that happens, they don't lose. It was something like that.

I guess my point is that for the first time the magic seemed to be an integral part of who I was and was completely comfortable and natural to perform. I now feel ready to dub myself a magician.
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