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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Pigeonholed, huh?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I don't know if he'd use that exact word.
(But I'd be willing to bet that he smoked a joint with Willie.) |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
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On May 24, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: I think he might. I know I would. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Would what? Use the word "pigeonholed" or smoke a joint with Willie? I've already used the former and wouldn't everyone want to do the latter?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I'm a bit slow today, Laurie. I just realized that you used the word "pigeonholed" on the fingernail polish thread.
NOW I get it! |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
I started out a little slow on this thread earlier, Bob. We're even.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Ok back. I always thought this song was sung in defiance and in protest of the anti-war protestors of that time as well as the immoral hippie movement which encouraged drug use and "free" love. But nothing is "free" as their is a price for everything and the price for "free" love were STDs and, as eventually discovered, HIV and AIDS. And drugs are shown to be bad for your health as well. It is also OK to be proud to be an American and to be proud of the troops and support them. However, I wasn't aware, that in fact, Merl was just making fun of the mentality of much of the mid-west and the deep south. But this mentality is not necessarily a bad thing as hard work, staying out of debt, saving, investing, making commitments and sticking by your commitments are not bad things. And questioning authority can go to far as well as you have to have a set of rules and values to guide you along the way to success, happiness, stability and freedom. It can't be just anything goes.
The hippie movement of the time strikes me very much as a no rules anything goes kind of thing that went too far in questioning authority as well as not understanding the nature of the communist threat. Many communist regimes were heavily militarized, totalitarian in nature and in my opinion sought world dominance and the overthrow and destruction of free societies. It's is terrible niave to think or believe that the Communist ideal could live up to what it was supposed to be as written on paper. Like Reagan referring to the Soviet Union as an "Evil Empire" in my opinion was 100% spot on. Fortunately, it collapsed under the weight of the arms race and the fact it's economy was inefficient as well as not allowing some of the basic rights we enjoy as Americans. But I digress and do not seek to make the thread too political. All in all, I enjoy this song, not so much because the author intended to make fun of a certain mentality, but rather I enjoy it, in my mind, as a protest and in defiance of the hippie movement and the anti-war movement of the time plus in celebration of good values that were contrary to the hippie and anti-war movement of the time.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On May 24, 2014, mastermindreader wrote: Another question Bob, what about the close up gallery at the Magic Castle? Does it have to be a theater act?
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Re free love,
St. Emma Goldman said, "Am I for free love? As if there were any other kind!"
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On May 24, 2014, landmark wrote: Their was a cadence song we used to sing when I was in the service while marching and part of the line of the cadence was "For nothing in this world is free." You either have to earn it or somebody somewhere has to pay for it Their is a price for everything.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
William-
You know nothing about the "hippie movement" or the "counterculture" of which the hippies were just a small, but innocuous part. It wasn't the hippies who led the protests. They were mostly into the peace and love thing. It was the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) and, later, the "Yippies" (Youth International Party) who were at the vanguard of the anti-war protests which had formed somewhat of an alliance with the Civil Rights Movement as well as the Black Panthers, etc. Those folks were hardly hippies. You probably weren't even born yet, so I don't expect you to have any idea about what was going on. But don't call a significant part of our generation "immoral" just because you think they were. Did you bother to watch the "Ohio" video above? Did you see the American troops firing on unarmed American students, killing four of them? You want to talk about the My Lai Massacre or the phony Gulf of Tonkin Resolution? How about the brutal beatings given to protesters by Mayor Daley's Gestapo during the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. Then tell me about "morality." Better yet, don't. I'm done listening and trying to explain things to you that you could have learned a long time ago. And in other news, no, the close-up gallery at the Castle is for close-up performers. All of the other rooms are platform, stage and parlour acts. You would have to audition or provide an audition tape of an actual performance before they'd consider hiring you. And keep in mind that you'll be compared to some of the best acts in the business. Peace and Love, Bob |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Should I even bother to apply? Listening to you talk about how the Magic Castle is in a "bastion of liberalism" it makes me wonder if I would get a fair shake given that I am not as liberal as perhaps many in Hollywood are. I just thought it would be good to pay my dues and respects to the Magic Castle as a professional magician, even if the Magic Castle is in a "bastion of liberalism." Anyway, based on what I heave read in the history books about your time period Bob, I don't agree with the sentiments of the "New Left" or the left wing movements of the time. I saw posters held by some of the protestors back then and some of the posters I saw had like communist symbols in them as well. I also think that even though every time period has some similarities, their are also some major differences between time periods as well as generations. You came from a different time period and a different generation. Not every generation is the same.
I am not trying to insult you or members of your generation, but it seems you came from a bad and turbulent time in America and I am thankful I didn't have to live through those times. Sure, we had guys in our generation that had it rough (like some that I volunteered with that went on multiple combat tours and were used over and over again) but we endured and survived. That's all you can do. I sense some tension between your generation and my generation too Bob. I do not feel this tension though between my generation and the World War II generation. I like a lot of the World War II guys I have encountered. A lot of them seem positive and are fun to talk to. They also came from a time that though it was rough during World War II and the Great Depression, were some proud moments in American history. Such as victory in World War II and the building of a strong middle class which is non-existent today. This particular generation (the World War II generation) also seemed to be more united and not as divided as the generation currently in power (which, yes, it's your generation). I think part of this reason was because of the hardships of the Great Depression and World War II made that particular generation realize the importance of cooperation, genuine compromise and being united. The only way to survive tough times like that is to be united and look out for each other.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
That "bastion of liberalism" bit was, I think, a pretty obvious joke- that's what right wing commentators say. No one at the Castle cares about your politics. What matters is if you can perform or not.
I'm fifteen years older than the President, so I'm not exactly part of the current generation in power. I turned 21 in 1970 when Nixon was President. And you are somewhat mistaken, I think, in your interpretation of what the New Left was. It actually rejected Marxist ideas and wasn't involved with the labor movement at all. (In those days, the "hard hat" union members where mostly conservative leaning.) Other than the Vietnam debacle, the New Left was primarily concerned with issues that have only recently become accepted by most Americans- gay rights, abortion, gender roles and drug laws. Eventually, members of the new left became the core of the Democratic Party. But back to the Castle- like I said, it's not REALLY a "bastion of liberalism." But it is a pretty sophisticated room and most of the folks there would have understood the joke. |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On May 24, 2014, General_Magician wrote: Haha... I LOVED THAT! Thanks!
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Well I am not going to be too judgmental Bob because eventually, my generation is going to have it's turn at leadership and if we screw up or don't do a good job, some young buck sometime in the future will probably come up to me complaining and annoy me too. I wasn't sure if you were joking about the whole "liberal bastion" thing or not given that the Magic Castle is in Hollywood, California. When you look at somebody like Bill Malone and his skills with cards, I don't think I will be performing at the Castle anytime soon.
His skills would blow away most magicians in the close up area. I also try to be somewhat simple. Simple works and simple is powerful. I was told by some of the pros in my area that getting a gig at the Magic Castle is pretty tough (and it should be). But we can all dream right? Even if I never perform there, I think it's important to go to the Magic Castle and pay my respect and give the place it's due as a professional magician myself. It's an important place for the art of magic after all. BTW, you're welcome Pakar!
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On May 24, 2014, General_Magician wrote: Here's the exact passage for those who might enjoy reading more of her: “ Free love? As if love is anything but free! Man has bought brains, but all the millions in the world have failed to buy love. Man has subdued bodies, but all the power on earth has been unable to subdue love. Man has conquered whole nations, but all his armies could not conquer love. Man has chained and fettered the spirit, but he has been utterly helpless before love. High on a throne, with all the splendor and pomp his gold can command, man is yet poor and desolate, if love passes him by. And if it stays, the poorest hovel is radiant with warmth, with life and color. Thus love has the magic power to make of a beggar a king. Yes, love is free; it can dwell in no other atmosphere. In freedom it gives itself unreservedly, abundantly, completely. All the laws on the statutes, all the courts in the universe, cannot tear it from the soil, once love has taken root.” ― Emma Goldman, Marriage and Love
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
In my experience an affection and a love of a woman is earned. Now, my family that I was born into has given me unconditional love growing up. But after you get past a certain age, you pretty much have to earn everything you get. In my experience, women demand that love and affection is earned. It's not something that can be bought either, but it is earned.
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
Seems to me, men have demanded that women demand because men want to earn and men love to chase and perhaps have difficulty accepting the fact that love is GIVEN. Or would you like to leave a woman entirely out of her own relationship? She's got something to give, yo. And true love is unconditional, so once it's given... you do the math...
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On May 25, 2014, magicalaurie wrote: I don't know, that's not been my experience. Generally women don't respond to men (in the sense of love and affection) unless they are somebody who are deserving of love and affection. It's like, would a woman in her right mind love a man like Jeffery Dahmer? NO!
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