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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
NOTICE - Concerning PB&E!!!
I received an email from Bill Abbott last week with a special offer on PB&E. BROWN EGGS are now available when ordering this trick! |
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CarlMcCoy Elite user 465 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2014, Merc Man wrote: Yep, pretty much as expected. Why you think I would have any inclination to answer someone with an attitude like yours is anyones guess. Again the obvious impact and improvement (for some, admittedly) is there to see, so nothing I say will change your mind, but the obvious fact I've bought it and am in the process of practicing it should indicate that (for me at least) it was a worthwhile purchase. Therefore it has merit to some. The fact that you don't like it is irrelevant, as my liking it is irrelevant to you. It's quite arrogant to assume that a person has to justify to you why they like something or why they find it a powerful effect. It would also seem that along with being rude and arrogant, you're also quite creepy. How you've determined my place in any kind of magic development from going to my profile and reading my last 30 posts is beyond me, but again...creepy. And considering your assumption is probably based on me liking things that you don't (as above), you're a narcissist as well. This can be born out by the simple fact that you like to 'review' reviews which, in itself, is as pointless as me discussing anything with you. If you were my GP fella, I'd imagine I'd be visiting the local police department. I've now spent far more minutes of what's left of my life typing words at a nobody on a computer screen than I expected to when I got up this morning. I feel abused. And not even in a good way. Kind Regards Me |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
Reel 'em in!
As far as rudeness goes, I think you are up there with the best of them having seen some of your other exchanges with people on here (hence the reason I checked your profile to ensure that it was you - arguing with someone on the WPR thread a few weeks back). So please relax; I'm not stalking you! The bottom line is that you are maybe a little hurt that someone is knocking a trick that you've purchased. As I say, looking at your most recent posts, they are all relating to new tricks. Nothing wrong with that - we've all been guilty of it. But what I find is a shame is that you may possibly not have known that a multiple needle version existed - because (or so it would appear) like many newer guys to magic, people just don't READ books any more - hence my Tarbell comment to you. You only have to see how much more popular on The Café the 'Latest and Greatest' section is compared to 'Turn of a Page'. Moving on. Yes, the demo did garner a favourable audience reaction in that they looked interested. However, what we don't know is whether that reaction would have been even better as the 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th, etc. needle appeared from his lips. We all have our own opinions but to my way of thinking, 10-20 needles is magical, 1 needle idevalues it to a party stunt. Clearly, we'll have to have different opinions; unless someone can finally explain to me how one needle is better?
Barry Allen
Over 14 years have passed - and still missing Abra Magazine arriving every Saturday morning. |
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CarlMcCoy Elite user 465 Posts |
Hey fella.
In all honesty, I do not think I'm rude at all. In truth, yes...some of my posts to others are not all that nice, but if one were to read the threads and see what I reply to, then it's obvious that I'm in the main replying to idiots that need to be given an opposing view. Also most of those people post the most amazing rubbish and attacks on others that it's almost a civil duty for me to respond to them in kind. The fact that in most cases that gets their backs up merely goes to illustrate what kind of people they are. With regard to you stalking me...ha, nah I was pushing your buttons there. Sheesh, unfortunately I'm not that stalkable, age has most definitley withered the looks I never had in the first place. Regarding me arguing with someone on a WPR thread, I assume you mean a few posts in relation to Ray Chelt? Again, reading what came before usually leads one to understand that which follows, therefroe I see no reason to justify my actions in that situation, or any other like it for that matter. As far as me posting on new effects, this is true. But this is because I only check The Café for news on new effects as this place gets the scoops first. I spend the rest of my time on another forum where the kind of bashing and ridiculous nonsense that goes on here is pretty much absent due to heavy moderation (and all the better for it in my opinon, but that's neithr here nor there...and yes, I do see the hypocrisy in what I've just typed). So that's why I do not have many posts and why I'm not in any heavy discussion on here as my allocated time for all things magical on any given day is little (running my own design business and raising a 2yr old leaves scant time for much else, ha). I agree with you on books. I have collected many over the years and read far too many to remember all the knowledge contained within them. As a hobbyist magician, magic is a diversion from my day-to-day and performing is a rare occurence that I only welcome when I have everything well routined and good to go, so that my 'impromptu performances' at dinner parties and the like go off withouth hitch. They think I'm just doing stuff, they don't realise I've orchestrated it all...ha. Can be time consuming and one has to have patience but I find it quite rewarding, and the closest I'll get to ever feeling like a real magician. I do see where you are coming from in relation to one needle vs twenty, but I'm not sure what I can add. For me, I never fancied the idea of needle swallowing. I was alwasy impressed with the act, but it was (is) just not the sort of thing I'd perform. But when Wayne came out with A Single Needle (and I bought it ages ago) I could instantly see from the demo that it was now somehting that 'fit me', if that makes any sense? After watching the explanation and seeing the effect in action in several venues, I knew I wanted to put some time into it. Is it more of a stunt that you can thread and knot a needle onto a thread in your mouth, as oppose to swallowing a load of needles and some thread and then somehow they tie themsleves inside you? Six of one, half dozen of the other. For you it obviously isn't a magical moment. For me, the fact that the spec is holding onto the thread the entire time and yet that needle they just placed into your mouth and you swallowed is now emerging from your lips tied to the thread, is a simply astonishing moment. So, I do not believe it's a matter of is A Single Needle Better, but merely does it look cool as chops and do you want to perform it. I do. You don't. Such is life. So in summary, no I'm not hurt you don't like a trick I've purchased. I merely thought your remarks on an effect you do not own were a trifle brusque. Everyoe is entiled to their opionion, however I thought you put yours across badly in that instance. That's all. Hope all's well on your side of the Channel. Carl |
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CarlMcCoy Elite user 465 Posts |
With all that said...it's obvious I still can't type worth a s**t.
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charlies_hat Regular user Norwich, UK 108 Posts |
Single needle or lots of needles / Mercedes or another make of car : All the same to most people, equally as impressive.
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
Excellent reply Carl.
Thinking a little more about why I don't think a single needle is as powerful magically as multiple needles is because I can't really imagine people wanting to examine the gob-covered thread too closely; so may therefore simply perceive that it's just simply become tangled upon it. That's why, in my view, this version is actually diminishing the original plot. And, to be brutally frank I think that a razor blade is more effective than a needle any day of the week. I used to perform the razor blades years back - it takes some considerable nerve and practice being able to put these into your mouth believe me (even after the edges have been dulled)! That said, I fully agree with you that when you see a particular trick, you get a gut-feel whether it's something that will work for you. Now that doesn't necessarily mean that the spectators are going to like it, so yes it's a gamble; but I believe that a trick which you enjoy performing possibly comes over a lot better than something that you dislike. Finally, my negativity for most effects these days honestly isn't expressed to be controversial. I just don't really see anything that is new, original, or beats what has gone before. I wish you well and every success with the trick mate.
Barry Allen
Over 14 years have passed - and still missing Abra Magazine arriving every Saturday morning. |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2537 Posts |
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On Jun 5, 2014, charlies_hat wrote: Got to pull you on that one Charlie. There's only TWO types of car mate. There's Mercedes-Benz...................and then there's the rest.
Barry Allen
Over 14 years have passed - and still missing Abra Magazine arriving every Saturday morning. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
If only Teller had realised the increased potency of just the one needle, he never would have wasted our time with this:
http://youtu.be/zb0UhqprUJ8 |
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CarlMcCoy Elite user 465 Posts |
So cool. What a legend. Always loved the bit where he eats the apple.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Yeah, it's brilliant. Going to see these fellas in a couple of weeks...
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CarlMcCoy Elite user 465 Posts |
Annoying. I went to Vegas a few years ago and was so stocked that I was going to be able to see them. One week before getting there my tickets were refunded as they'd cancelled the shows.
I got to see Believe though...so that was...good? No, no it wasn't. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Ouch, you must have been gutted...
They are appearing in London, so all being well we will just hop on the tube. I am feelingly stupidly excited about it! |
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4741 Posts |
Morgan and West do a killer needles routine. I think they told me they use 30+ needles. The visual on stage is fantastic. So I have to disagree with Cameron. One needle simply isn't anywhere near as visual or impressive IMO.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Cameron seems to be carried away with the minimalist hype.
This may well be good, such as it is, just nothing like as good as what originally spawned it. Which is a sh*t-load of needles, all of which have been swallowed, and are, (and here's the magical feeling bit), then regurgitated and perfectly linked on a long piece of thread. That sort of multiple production tends to build applause. Yes? |
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Torquay22 Loyal user 271 Posts |
I think more needles is better personally to have no loads of needles. I think the best time to remove things from an effect is in a multi effect routine like ambitious card you don't need it to come to the top 20 times for it to be magical in a single phase effect you want it to be impossible and to me 100 needles is more impossible than 1.
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CarlMcCoy Elite user 465 Posts |
The selling point for me was the spectator holding on to the thread the entire time. Needle swallowed. End of thread not held by the spec swallowed...spec pulls out thread, needle tied to thread.
I do undertand everyones points about more needles on stage (and as demonstrated by that clip of Teller, it's a stunning piece), but this is still just so magical to me. I'm never gonna get up on a stage, so for me this is absolutely perfect. And again..the fact the specator is holding the thread...just so impossible. To each their own though. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Yes. Through the eyes of a spectator it would be amazing.
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Ray Chelt Special user Changing the world with my 988 Posts |
I get the argument about more needles but must also consider that Wayne Houchins hit rate with effects has been pretty high.(Because he doesn't spew out endless releases to see what sticks, like some.)
The guy is no slouch when it comes to inventing and presenting so this is probably worth looking into. |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Yep, I'm sure he makes it great; I agree that WH is very good. Still reckon if I was going to do that I'd look into doing more needles. (But I am a greedy sod, admittedly.)
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