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JJDrew
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Beaudini's got a point. To have parrots, everybody has to have a first parrot. May I reccommend a bit of good reading? "Birds for Dummies" is a great overview of choosing a species, housing, behavioral issues, and a lot of other extremely important information. That and "Guide to a Well-Behaved Parrot" will give you enough of a basis to make an educated decision. I've read every book about parrots I could find and those two sum up the best general information in all the others put together.
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On 2004-01-19 23:34, Beaudini Magic wrote:
Robert,
I agree with what you've said, but Chill out man! We all now understand what is neccesary to own a large bird. Our friend justin was just wondering and asking some questions. Thank god the animal police, caught him before he made a horrible mistake. Save up your money justin, and when you have the supplies and means to support your pet, go out and get him, good luck


Beaudini,

Thanks so much for replying to my posts. Apparently you forgot to read them though.

I am "chilled" out, dude.

Animal police...*shaking head*

Robert Bloor
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JJ thanks alot. I will definatly pick up copies of both. Smile

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Justin,

I studied parrots and the one I wanted for three years before I even bought one. Take your time and really think about it first. There is tons of infor online.

Best Wishes,

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Absolutaly.. I've been reading like a book worm. thanks Andy, and hey, great work man.

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Justin,

I have an unemployable parrot I wouldn't wish on anyone. He's not even big! Another is not on my want list. Dobbie has simply become a pet (like the horse, three goats, four dogs, cat, 100 doves, geese, chickens, etc.) Lucy and I live with. Some of them do work in the act, but most just "people watch". But we also have a 10 acre yard and regular help. If it were not for that, things would fall apart very quickly in the animal care department.

If what you want is a large bird for magic production, water fowl are even easier to work with than doves. They have a shorter lifespan, eat cheap food, are quieter than a parrot, lay eggs you can eat, and if things don't work out, you can eat them too. There are good reasons why early magicians used geese and ducks. It is also less likely you are allergic to them like you can become with doves, parrots and chickens. Another important point is that you don't need $700 either. For about $50 you could get about all the trouble you could stand.

I really don't believe the audience is impressed with how much you spent to fool them. Most props cost very little to store and don't eat, don't make a mess, don't carry diseases, and don't make noise between shows. Zoos are expensive hobbies. Please put your thinking cap on for this one. It is very hard to undo.

Exploit your opportunities as a magician. Zoo keeping is a rich man's hobby. You have plenty of time for that. Invest in the magician.

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Bob, understandable, but I am an animal magician through and through, as much as any other part of magic. I have the time and space as of right now to get a bigger bird for my act. Also I'm in an apartment, and unless the duck or goose wants to live in a bathtub, or a closet, like the tv show friends, lol.. then I can pretty much count them out.

Or can I? Smile
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It does sound like a good time to duck the goose! If you have never owned a parrot, living in an apartment may be a very temporary situation for you. The others in the building will throw you out. Parrots can be very loud. I really would rather live with a duck than a parrot in an apartment. I can't say I would stand in line to do either one and I really do love animals, magic or not.

Maybe what you need right now is a friend with a larger animal that you can produce. Over the years, I have produced everything from a horse to a hampster. Neither of those were mine. It can be arranged. If the show is a public show, even a pet store might be interested in getting public credit for furnishing the livestock. Some zoos might cooperate too! But the bottom line is that the draw back to larger animals is that they are there 24/7, even if you are poorly equipped to deal with them. Having them for the show may be good enough right now. When you get more space, go for it! I'm certainly in no position to do anything but wish you the best luck under those conditions. When I die, I hope they bury me in the horse pen.

Is there someone you know who keeps lead dogs for the blind the first year? Usually the dogs and the masters are great contacts. Of coure, they get a new dog every year. So your act will change! Color changing dog: have you ever seen that one?

Good Luck! I know what it's like to have a want list too! Sometimes it just takes time.

Bob
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On 2004-01-19 00:08, DaveWomach wrote:
I was in the same position. I was offered a free sun conure, and turned it down... and I live with 11 doves, 5 parakeets, 1 senigal parrot, 1 blue and gold macaw, 1 umbrella cockatoo, 1 cockatiel, and 2 dogs... and a partridge in a pear tree.



Sounds alot like us!
1 African Senigal
1 Umbrella Cockatoo (plucks)
1 Double Yellow Head Amazon
1 Parakeet
1 Pacific Parrotlett (handicapped)
1 Very AMAZING congo African Grey (awsome!)
11 cats (accident!)
11 dogs- Borzois mostly, 1 Chinese Crested, 1 min pin, 1 dobe, 1 lab
Did I mention we live in the country?
Notice there is NO Conure? There is a reason for that! Smile
A person with all these animals telling you that a Conure is to loud for him, that should tell you something!
And Boy! Do I know about vet bills!
Luckily, my wife went to school to become a vet so that helps. But get this, she is now a paralegal! Go figure!
We had a Green Wing Macaw for a while but my wife told me it was him or her. We gave him to a LOVELY couple from the Bird Club who never did pay us for him. $1200 down the drain.
BTW Green Wings are LOUD and my wife suffers from migranes and all the birds live in the house in the living room.
All our cages are designer cages and more than big enough for each bird, talk about a small fortune!
I suggest you get involved with your local bird club and not to make any hasty decisions. You will get a better deal when you do decide to buy.
Remember they change your life too, when I was single I vacuumed once a week, now its twice a day! And change there paper and change there water and feed 'em. A lot of work but they are VERY rewarding!
Take care and good luck with your decision!
Tim Taylor

I forgot to mention the only bird I use in my act is the Axtell CookaToo! I am no vent so he just comes out and finds the selected card (blindfolded) out of a paper bag. There is a LOT more to it then that. I open with it and there is a lot of comedy.
I am looking for a apperance of my Senigal if anyone has any ideals.
Tim Smile
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Lol Tim that is great. btw the bird in your picture is awesome.

Bob, again.. your priceless information is great. Thanks!

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Tim Taylor
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Hey Justin,
If you look at my picture in Meet the Staff you will see a picture of my Umbrella Cockatoo. The guy with me in this picture is my Senigal, Asante.
Tim
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Beautiful birds Tim..
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This is so funny! You have all those birds and you use our cockatoo in your show. Hey we also make a realistic Macaw called the "Real McCaw" http://www.axtell.com/birds.html

Enjoy!

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Tim Taylor
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Hey Steve,
I have seen him, he is BEAUTIFUL!
I didn't mention it but I also have your purple wing bird that we call Hank that looks sort of like a Buzzard(?) and your Arm Illusion (left hand) and your Living Arm Illusion (right hand). Occasionally, I will come out with both birds. The kids love it!
Thanks for such a GREAT product!
Tim
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I would say for you a senigal would be a good bird. They tend to be not as loud as other parrots and are not that large. And as for everyone who is telling you that oh this bird does this and that bird is bad b/c of that, not all of them are 100% accurate. I work for an avian veterinarian and I do agree that a larger bird is more work but keep in mind that no mater what bird you get they require your time. You can not just take them out for one hour a day, birds need attention and when they do not receive it that is when the feather plucking starts and that is a horrible site. Believe me I see beautiful Moluccan come in with no feathers b/c their owner just throws food in there and doesn't care about the bird.
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I disagree about Conures being intolerable.
Loud yes, tempermental like most birds. They
just want to be noticed and so they have to be
heard.

Mango has been with me for almost fifteen years.
He doesn't say much but, he is happy with the
Cockatoos, doves, African Grey, cockatiels and
even my many dogs and reptiles.

I keep him away from all felines.

He loves cookies!
I wish you all well.....remember to make them
a part of your life and not just a "Cellie"
Any bird can work for you if you treat them as you
would any friend. Kindness, respect, care and love!
My regards, r2
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Rey Rey -

Hey man! How's life in El Paso?

I can't stand Conures. But for me, I think the problem is the tone of their screech. My sisters grey is really loud - but it talks loud, whistles loud and laughs loud.

My Amazon screams pretty loud sometimes, but even at her loudest, nowhere near what a sun or nanday can do.

That's my beef with Conures. Smile

BTW...I recently got a new bird...tiny little pacific parrotlet named Beamer (after 9/11 hero Todd Beamer). Man for something the size of my thumb that bird sure can chirp up a storm!!

Cheers mate! Maybe this summer we can hook up.

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Yes their screech is among the loudest of all parrots.
I have so many other noises around my home that Mango the Sun doesn't even register at times. It took some getting used to but, I knew what I was getting into.

I look forward to visiting with you in person Robert.
Perhaps I'll stop in when I'm up north.

Why don't you make the Ring meetings eh?
Fraternally,r2

p.s. I like your website changes Brother!
Gracias Amigo!~
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I appreciate the posting member's love for animals! They certainly depend on us and I know their owners put them high on their priority list.

Justin's need or desire for a "big bird" has been addressed by several experienced keepers. I grew up with these birds (mom's hobby) and can tell you it can be a huge responsibility. Some of these birds require much attention. It's like raising a kid! Ignoring or neglecting them can lead to self destructive behavior including feather plucking. Just check the rescue websites of people who thought it be cute to have that cockatoo in the corner and now with a bald chest they want to rid of it. I don't question Justin's ability to care/handle these animals as he's stated he uses them in his act. I mention it for the first time bird owner who may come along.

Getting back to my point, Justin mentioned the budget issue. The trainable/talking variety of large bird you need is EXPENSIVE! Adopting one and trying to train for the show will be practically impossible - that's a promise. Talk about an old dog not learning new tricks. They get set in their ways and stick to it! You've been warned by the scars on my hand! LOL!

Save the pennies, find a breeder, and purchase a large bird type as a baby. Then get to it.

Lots of great advice from the other members. Great to see others love our feathered friends.
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That is Cool about Beamer (his name).
My parrotlet just died, he was only a year old but both legs were splayed by his mother when young.
The breeder gave him to us, otherwise he was going to be put down.
It's really sad, he was a great bird and a great talker.
Tim Smile
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